February 9, 2010
Published: 26 Nov 09 12:30 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/society/20091126-23535.html
A German couple who tried to teach their children Christian values at home has been fined by a Kassel court for refusing to send them to school.
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If taken seriously by the teaching parent, their one-on-one attention could certainly provide a better, more flexible basis for education than overflowing classrooms, bullying schoolmates and overwhelmed teachers might.
I'm a little saddened that homeschooling is so rigidly dismissed as an option in Germany. A system of regular checks and testing to see if homeschooled kids can keep up with public schooled ones.. wouldn't that suffice as a requirement to grant such privileges?
Doing homework with young children is what parents should obviously do, but it's not quite a real alternative to full homeschooling.
I say this as a victim of 2 years of home school.
/at least parents weren't religious
//just in a shitty gang banger school district and was too poor at the time for private
The socialization you can get in school is great for a lot of kids. But it's not great for all kids, it is not great in every school environment and I don't think it is necessary to develop normal social interactive skills.
I certainly found it detrimental and most other homeschool kids I knew were always a bit.. off.
Parents should supplement their child's school education but taking them out of a vital developmental environment should not be done unless absolutely necessary.
Quite frankly, I don't think school is a vital developmental environment.
I personally have a friend who was homeschooled (in Texas) and she's a remarkably independent young woman. Knew very well what she wanted, early on, had the freedom and flexibility to pursue it, etc. So being stunted by homeschool is obviously not an inavoidable consequence.
That said, many home-schooled kids seem to do okay. I've met a number of them over the years. Not quite Abe Lincoln doing his math homework using a piece of charcoal on the back of a shovel, but close. I knew a guy in college whose Ivy League-educated parents had more money than God but still drove VW Rabbits, homeschooled them and let their kids sleep in the barn; every single kid got into an elite private university, all with full scholarships.
If one has the aptitude to be exceptional, and one is going to end up working in an exceptional environment anyway, why force kids to play football or kick-the-can with the neighborhood kids instead of playing lacrosse with the people one inevitably ends up working with in the end anyway? "Normality" is way overrated.
I have known many homeschooled children who have, primarily because of being homeschooled, had more oppotunities to "get out from under their parents and see the world on their own for part of the day" (or much longer) than their friends in public school.
The couple in the article stated one of their reasons for homeschooling "...because doubt in the existence of God was a normal facet of [German] public school culture." They should move to Tennessee, where bible verses are read over the loudspeakers daily in the public school district where I lived.
A bit about teaching science at home..... I found myself buying about 75% of the materials we used from the local Christian bookstore. They had a terrific selection; Saxon Math, Anita Harnadek's Critical Thinking series (that one must have slipped by them) Wordly Wise, and on and on. But science....um, we had to look elsewhere.
Look, you can end up just fine out of Home School, I did (although I suspect only because I am somewhat autodidactic), even if it took me a couple years to get socially integrated back in high school. But I (and many Child psychologists) view regular exposure to ones peers outside of the control of the parents as far more valuable than the general overprotective reasons for Home Schooling, not to mention the fact that these kids suffer from only being fed one view of the world from their parents.
I'm generally fairly libertarian but I'm all for Germany's opposition to this practice.
I will say that if I never went to Catholic school I wouldn't have experienced the vital life lesson that throwing a snowball at a nun results in suspension.
Somebody other than the family should be seeing these kids on a regular basis. In case there is abuse going on, it should be detected it in a timely manner, not after it's too late.
Btw, if you leave religious nuts alone for too long, this is what could happen:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8381119.stm
I believe you are overlooking one significant difference between Germany and the US. While your observation about home schooling vs. public schooling is accurate, it is also true that if you wish to send your children to a "Christian School" in the US, you must pay their tuition. As I understand it, and I may be wrong here, in Germany you could send your child to a "public school" or a "Christian school" and the cost would be the same either way as both are a part of the German educational system.
If I'm wrong about that, then I'm sorry, but if that is correct, it is a significant difference between the two systems.
Not being cynical or anything...
Yep, that's the problem alright.
Look, it's pretty simple, most (the vast majority of ) people are idiots who know sweet-F-A.
If you want to teach your child stupid notions about Creationism, Pi == 3, or people with different colored irises are the devil, that's your problem.
Society as a whole will pay the price for your idiocy, and to help mitigate the effects of your idiocy, we insist that your child also attend public school, at least that way we can identify your dysfunctional child early.
Somebody other than the family should be seeing these kids …
Academically, kids could get tested every 6 months or so. That shouldn't create too harsh a hassle and wouldn't put those children at a big disadvantage to public school children whose performance is formally graded in Zeugnisse every Halbjahr, as well.
No, not every single one of them, I am sure there are cases where their child is not happy in school and is detrimental to their health. But in the report which was linked above, the two main reasons were 'can get a better education at home' and 'religious reasons'. To me, this does indicate a level of narcissism and religious nuttery is involved. I am sure they are not the only reasons but that is my perception.
You now need to get a "licence" to prove you are trustworthy under the Vetting and Barring Scheme.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8249020.stm
You now need to get a "licence" to prove you are trustworthy under t…
This also applies to UK gliding clubs - I shudder to think if the consequences for clubs will be if it comes over here. We (within the German Gliding organisation) are seeing cross-fire from the UK attempting to have us (in Germany) raise the minimum age for learning to fly gliders from 14 to 16 - and we have so many success stories with 14-yr olds here.
Why must they necessarily conform with the public school model or be classed arrogant…[/quote]Yes. That part was definitely utter and complete stupidity.
You now need to get a "licence" to prove you are trustworthy under t…
My guess is that the "something" that was reported was merely that they were not following the status quo. From my own experience, the German government is overly involved in the daily lives of its citizens, requiring information one wouldn't dream of giving the government in the US. Marching to the beat of a different drummer is not encouraged or allowed.
Like in the US, requiring mandatory school attendance is not necessarily in the best interests of the children, but instead best serves the purposes of the state in maintaining its own existence and a predictable and manageable populace.
I see. But they do a good job. I reckon they even can teach the 17years-old how to pray and clean his shoes at the same time?
As for socialization, homeschooled children have an advantage over those stuck in government buildings for set blocks of time - only if the parent teaching them actually takes the child out into the world and challenges them to communicate with other generations on a variety of subjects under different circumstances on a regular basis.
So-called intellectuals who have never bothered to learn what Christianity actually teaches (from a true biblical perspective) will not realize that their visceral bigotry is not only predicted, but well-described in Romans chapter 1.
I can't say what these children are learning (and neither can any commenter who does not know their parents) but if it is a biblical worldview, I would say their understanding of the world easily surpasses the understanding of some of the earlier commenters...