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Ex-finance senator says Berlin is too dumb to become a great city

Published: 30 Sep 09 11:10 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/society/20090930-22253.html

Berlin’s former finance senator Thilo Sarrazin has said the denizens of the German capital don't have the intellect to make it a great city, daily Bild reported on Wednesday.

Sarrazin, now a board member of Germany’s central bank, the Bundesbank, told the most recent edition of magazine Lettre International that Berlin could “never be saved by Berliners,” the paper said.

Instead, the intellectual wherewithal required for the city’s regeneration should be “imported like in New York in the 1950s,” he said.

The lack of talent derives from two factors, the tradition of the left-wing German student movement in the 1960s and “typical West Berliner slovenliness,” he told the magazine, which did not publish the interview online.

Meanwhile Berlin’s politics are “not elitist, instead in their attitude more plebeian and bourgeois,” he said.

Another problem is that “40 percent of all births take place in the lower class,” which doesn’t take part in the normal economy.

“We must completely change family policy: away from cash benefits, above all in the lower class,” he told the magazine.

Sarrazin, who began his Bundesbank post in May, also said that the Hauptstadt needs to change its approach towards economic development. “The media is oriented toward social problems, but Turkish homeless shelters won’t bring the city forward,” he said.

“I would aim for a completely different tone and say: Each person who can do something and strives for something with us is welcome. The rest should go somewhere else,” the 63-year-old said.

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11:17 September 30, 2009 by radiovenice
I am speechless.
11:29 September 30, 2009 by Small Town Boy
He's basically right, although he's a brave man for saying it. But they already tried to import the intellect after the fall of the Wall ? not directly, but by trying to lure big business to the city. The approach failed because the companies they were trying to attract were all perfectly happy with Frankfurt or Stuttgart or wherever it was they were.

Where I would disagree with him is on his idea of a "great" city. I don't personally believe that armies of besuited businessmen make a city great. Berlin is unique and that's what makes it great; I don't think that Sarrazin's vision matches mine.
11:39 September 30, 2009 by Portnoy
Well, at least he took his own advice ("Each person who can do something and strives for something with us is welcome. The rest should go somewhere else") and went to Frankfurt, where there are plenty of douchebags like him.
12:57 September 30, 2009 by solala
Why does he want to make Berlin an elitists' city? Is this what he thinks Berliner wants?
13:15 September 30, 2009 by parnell
How about a (capital) city which can at least pay for it's own citzens rather than being a big tax hole for the rest of the country?
16:03 September 30, 2009 by meid
well, at least some politicians are still capable to say what they mean,

regardless of their statements being inconvenient or aggravating.

I think he is addressing the very problem of Berlin at it's core,

even though his choice of words must come as a shock for some.

on the other hand, his often coarse tone & wry statements paired with an analytical thought have always been the strength of Sarrazin.

the real question is, however, to find a way in which Berlin can function as a city & generate capital as a capitol.
18:43 September 30, 2009 by lordkorner
I've lived in many a "great" city and I now live in Potsdam,a small and somewhat beautiful city ,one of the best things about Potsdam is its next door to Berlin..in my opinion a great city,what do I care about what Thilo thinks.
22:11 September 30, 2009 by Oblomov
How about a (capital) city which can at least pay for it's own citzens rather than being a big tax hole for the rest of the country?
Does Washington D.C. pay for its own citizens?

Perhaps you could point out any other large city that was basically located within a different country for decades and that didn´t even have a large port and good air connections like e.g. Hong Kong?

All the large companies that had their headquarters in Berlin moved away after the war and didn´t come back after reunification. Cities like Munich and Frankfurt were the cities who profited. As a result Germany has prosperous and attractive "second cities" instead of having one huge capital like London that sucks in all the money and the talent of the whole country. Expecting Berlin to be an attractive capital city and paying its own way is simply not a viable option right now.

Sarrazin is a rude jerk who isn´t half as smart as he believes himself to be. It´s people like him who have run down the SPD.
03:30 October 1, 2009 by Silvio
To Oblomov

Great comment! I can only agree.

Cities like Frankfurt (Main) and especially Munich only managed to develop

to what they represent today, because the bloody country and its capital was divided in the first place. If Berlin would play in the same league as London, Paris etc. all those poor artists which make Berlin an interesting place couldn't afford to live there.
12:14 October 1, 2009 by kato
Cities like Frankfurt (Main) and especially Munich only managed to develop

to what they represent today, because the bloody country and its…
... Frankfurt was Germany's capital when Berlin was still a couple of huts in the mud (in 1848). And it already had the same importance as a business center and appropriate size as today.

Subsidies for Berlin didn't start in 1990, as some people might believe. They started in 1948 in the Bizone, a year before even the BRD was founded. And remember that Berlin wasn't the capital. And Frankfurt almost was.
12:26 October 1, 2009 by Small Town Boy
Hmm, in 1848 Berlin was the capital of Prussia, the leading state in the German empire.
12:27 October 1, 2009 by Frank78
... Frankfurt was Germany's capital when Berlin was still a couple of huts in the mud (in 1848). And it already had the same importance as a busin…
That´s simple wrong. Frankfurt was never the capital of GERMANY. Although the parliament was located there, but each state still had its own capital, there wasn´t a common German capital.
23:35 October 1, 2009 by Oblomov
... Frankfurt was Germany's capital when Berlin was still a couple of huts in the mud (in 1848). And it already had the same importance as a busin…
Sorry, but that is nonsense. As it has been pointed out before Frankfurt wasn´t the German capital. During the Holy Roman Empire it was the city where the Emperors were elected and effectively crowned (as the Emperors didn´t want to travel all the way to Aachen just to be crowned). Vienna was the capital at that time. During the 19th century Vienna and Berlin were competing to be Germany´s main city until the Prussians finally kicked Austria out of the competition at the Battle of Sadowa (Königgrätz).

Frankfurt may be older than Berlin and it was home of many famous private banks but during the early 20th century most of Germany´s major banks like Deutsche, Dresdner and Commerzbank had their headquarters in Berlin, just as other major companies like Allianz and Siemens etc. etc.. These are the facts when you look at them in the cold hard light of day and voting down my statement isn´t going to change them. Yes, there were major companies in cities like Frankfurt as well, e.g. IG Farben (its huge former Headquarters is housing Goethe University now) but is there anyone who wants to claim that gaining the headquarters of all those huge companies that were mentioned above didn´t hugely benefit places like Frankfurt or Munich?
12:12 October 3, 2009 by Oblomov
It´s getting more uncomfortable for Sarrazin, the head of the board is asking for his resignation:

"Bundesbank-Chef legt Sarrazin Rücktritt nahe" http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,653015,00.html

Obviously Sarrazin has ignored the simple fact that his rude comments wouldn´t be acceptable in his new position.

As with the former minister Clement (who was responsible for Hartz IV and equally foul mouthed as Sarrazin) one wonders what Sarrazin was doing in the SPD in the first place, except for using it as a career vehicle.

I do not consider it as acceptable for someone who never had to worry about the taxpayer not paying his substantial to make derogatory remarks about people of welfare all the time.

Additionally, this behavious alienated traditional voters without attracting any new voters.
02:53 October 5, 2009 by Michael_1812
Sarrazin is a hero. He has pronounced aloud that truth, which is known to everyone, and which is so seldom spelled aloud. All what he said about Berlin - in fact applies equally to the entire Germany and most of Europe. The non-selective influx of immigrants, who are incapable of integration, is destroying Europe. Time has come to say it aloud. To be honest, though, it may be too late. Still, better late than never.

Canada is absorbing immigrants from the same countries, but on highly selective principles. To get there, one has to PROVE that he or she deserves moving to a civilised place. A graduate degree from a good school, plus experience in the field, plus young age of the applicant - that counts as a proof. This is why Canada takes the cream, and Germany gets - hmm... - the rest.

My deepest and profoundest thanks respect to Sarrazin!!

Oh, and by the way, I myself am an emigree. However, first I learned the language and received a graduate degree. Then emigrated. See the difference?
07:41 October 5, 2009 by swimmer
There's no virtue in learning a language or getting a degree. Or being an immigrant (sorry, it's "emigre" isn't it, can't have ourselves being called by the "i" word).

I always feel that if you could bolt Berlin together with (say) Hamburg's prosperity and advancement, you may have one of the world's "A-list" cities. otherwise, no chance for Berlin.
18:04 October 5, 2009 by jmjdk0
Is this not a democracy where ideas are voiced/stated and then discussed, and modified/discarded if they are not the best ideas. Only the the best ideas survive the inspection by the people/society, the rest are put/tossed aside. Why does everybody vilify/crucify the messenger for his/her views/statements. The people that have the courage to voice an opinion should be listen to, not oppressed or sanctioned for their statements.
21:20 November 10, 2009 by HerrDinksbumps
I like this guy.. Germany needs more of this..
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