Published: 30 Jan 13 07:22 CET | Print version
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YouTube’s dispute with Germany’s music rights authority GEMA has resulted in the country being cut off from more than 60 percent of the website’s most popular videos, according to a new analysis.
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So backwards and stupid but mainly greedy.
Also blocked are teaching videos, videos on new techniques and technology, for instance.
This should be regarded as an act of treason against the German people.
The entire Gema structure should be dismantled and the leaders prosecuted.
I am neither being sarcastic nor smartass, if someone provides some help, he or she is very thankful
F**k GEMA.
By the way does anyone else have that really annoying Hewlett Packard advert popping all the time when watching YT vids....? Just asking ;)
wa
Though it isn't the only one. RIP Aaron Swartz. And, in the US, using that subsidized handy on the wrong network can get you 5 years in prison - 10 for a repeat offence.
Ask ANY musician....Hardly any of the money gets the the actual starving musicians. They are now just leeching off the intellectual property of someone else and really should not have the legal authority they have to make demands for payment for SOMEONE else's work. Technically, even your average street performer that is playing their OWN work is suppose to file paperwork with GEMA to perform said works in public. What a joke!
I can see the day that GEMA hires street performer auditors to demand proof that the proper documents have been filed with GEMA and payment arrangements to play their OWN works are made in advance. The street performer would HAVE to collect money to pay the GEMA fees!
The only way around GEMA is to have a private performance. Clubs should really revolt and accept attendance by explicit invitation for private performances only. Thus making any music performance a private event that no longer falls under the legal authority of the GEMA system. Only after all the money dries up will GEMA have to start laying off the over-paid lawyers, thus reducing GEMA's effectiveness at collection. They use search engine technology to scan club, personal musician web pages for performance dates. It is very likely they will just send you an invoice with a demand for payment if any of that information is available on the internet and searchable.
Thanks for the tip. It works!
@ mobaisch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesellschaft_f%C3%BCr_musikalische_Auff%C3%BChrungs-_und_mechanische_Vervielf%C3%A4ltigungsrechte
Then again, why is there such a big fuss about it? Fair enough, youtube has probably the biggest music / video file availability on the web but it's hardly the only one. There's Daily motion, Metacafe, Vimeo, etc..
Besides, If u still can't find what u're looking for, just google whatever u'd like to see and hit 'videos'. Some interesting results will probably come up.
GEMA, why should they be paid for service that I have already paid for.This is far different than file sharing where you can burn DVDs or music CDs with out consent of the creator and decrease their revenue.
+How you like the idea of anonymous:
The only way to stop GEMA and others from doing false censorship is to put their nuts in the vice and to turn the handle. Or in other words to hit them in the money with an automatic fine for issuing a false take down request where the fine should quickly scale up the more false censorship they do.
As for me, when I was in Germany I used Nederlands VPN, so here are some invitations to f**k GErmanMAfia: seed4.me/invitations - Herzlich Willkommen!
The problem is that GEMA is only doing what you suggest.
Short version: I write. I compose. I have posted arias from my most recent opera on Youtube. I wrote the libretto, I composed the music, I created the video on my own computer. GEMA blocks them, saying there "might be" a copyright issue. Since I own all of it, exactly who else could have a valid claim? When I ask, they won't respond beyond the standard form email.
In a nutshell, they're just a bunch of thugs. I can't even see my own work when I'm in Germany because it's routed through a German ISP. Why should I have to tolerate that, and...if they're supposedly protecting me...the starving musician...where's my money?
wa
@Louie I don't want to use your music, and I doubt you have ever produced anything worthwhile. Yet, I am forced to pay hundreds of euros a year in fees on media and device that go to people like you.
Just a fortnight ago I uploaded a video of the annular eclipse in May in Bryce Canyon, Utah, for which I used a Native Indian flute piece by John Huling from a CD I bought in Arizona in 1997. The German music distributor Dance All Day slapped adverts on it claiming it was a tune called Ya'ah'tee from the album Daheen on the Regen record label which was released in September 2011. I listened to it on line; it was the same tune but overlaid with electronic drums and spoken "song". It is quite awful. I protested, but was overruled. Then I wrote three mails to DAD, two in German and one in English. I was threatened with being struck off by YT unless I could prove that I had not infringed DAD's copyright. I stuck to my guns and Dance all Day retreated and removed all adverts.
GEMA is giving Germany a bad name here in the UK among my YT friends.
When you can prove why you block say,English music from 30 years ago or prove that the money collected goes to the original artist fair enough.
But you can't ,and until German gets rid of GEMA it will remain a music (not classical) backwater.
Also who says GEMA has the right to "grant rights" particularly to none German bands and artists?
I will have you know that i pay for all my music via itunes, but I listen to it via utube, and that my daft friend is not stealing, I can get the utube video in the US and I do, but not here.
So the next time I am in Big Buy or Walmart where you can listen to an artist music using those nasty headsets I am also stealing.
Ok, reasonable comeback.
My point is that for some reason here in Germany they can not reach an agreement, why here and not elsewhere? Iam sure that in the USA they are remunerated for their creative content.
I believe GEMA in its draconian approach to protecting artist, are infringing upon the principal of internet freedom. I am not advocating that creative content should be free, I am wondering why it is a problem mainly here in Germany.You obviously know more about this subject than I so why in Germany and for lack of a better example not in the USA.
That is a bald faced lie. In Germany, I have to pay tons of money for music, film, or TV I don't want to hear or see. I am forced to pay for radio and TV fees, through device fees, and through taxes.
And I'm not a cheapskate: I buy music. I simply do not want to listen to, or buy, the kind of garbage produced by German artists.
If what you say about the agreement with the U.K. is correct and I have no reason to doubt your word.
Why are the you tube video available in the U.K. and not here?
Unfortunately, for personal reasons, I do. And since I am forced to pay for this nonsense, I certainly have a right to complain about it.
The fact remains: you're lying when you say that people have a choice whether to pay for music or not. In Germany, everybody is forced to pay, whether they want to listen to the crappy music German "artists" produce these days or not.
This new law is one of the most self-serving, arbitrary (and I don't say it often) but dumb things the German government has inflicted recently. I agree with that part of the comment completely. The other part about crappy music German 'artists' etc. however, lessened their comment into the realm of petty, personal snark.
As far as Louie goes, I can understand belief in and support of an organization they feel benefits certain parties they are involved in. I certainly agree with aspects of the principles, as a writer and publisher, you put an enormous amount of time, creativity, funds and your spirit into your and your clients' work. Having people steal from you, which is what it is, when they illegally download, share, etc. isn't what you want, need or should have to tolerate.
Basically, I think they have a good "heart" and mission, but GEMA needs to reevaluate some of its goals and pursuits and yes, as some others have suggested, come into the 21st century and find new ways to protect artists without antagonizing and alienating society in general. That will only lead to their eventual downfall.
Don't tell me that GEMA is about artist's rights, those are protected by copyright. GEMA is about German artists enriching themselves based on the creative output of others.