Published: 26 Feb 13 07:00 CET | Print version
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Germany's president has presented a vision for Europe that fills a leadership void left by Chancellor Angela Merkel and could possibly even show the EU the way out of its current crisis, comments ZEIT ONLINE's Ludwig Greven.
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"Europe stands for peace and freedom, democracy and the rule of law, for equality, human rights and solidarity." he declared, continuing "... nothing else defines the unique essence of this community of states and peoples."
But from where do these values arise? Certainly not from the Pagan roots of pre-history in our barbarous past. No, there can be no doubt that Christianity was the foundation that created modern Europe. Historically this is beyond argument, and every one of Gauck's listed values derives directly from the Judeo-Christian ideal.
Admittedly, such ideals have not always been realized, but the fault lies not with the ideal itself, but with the all-too-human failings... selfishness, hatred, envy, lust and corruption, among others. It is this fallen human nature that Christ calls to us to overcome, and Europe will fail again and again to regain the common values of Gauck's hopes so long as Christianity continues in it's downward spiral of influence in the public sphere.
As far as I'm concerned we would be much better off with our "barbarous" Pagan roots than with some mumbo jumbo dreamed up by some crazy desert folk that has cause more war, ignorance and hatred than pretty much any other idea in history.
Christianity (or at least the Christianity of the rich and powerful) was the cause of much of this conflict, especially that between Rome and Protestantism.
It could be said that much of art, literature, music and science was created because of and in response to the brutal wars that raged over the continent.
We do need to work together to establish an EU that is seen by all levels of society as something that has a positive effect on their lives and is not simply a means of enriching the few. This will require greater transparency and scrutiny of policy making and procedures and expenditure, and a greater willingness to keep everyone informed of what is happening and why.
'We do need to work together to establish an EU that is seen by all levels of society as something that has a positive effect on their lives and is not simply a means of enriching the few'
How are you so confident that things will improve. Do you know what the definition of insanity is? You do realize we are moving away from your stated goals. By that I mean, instead of becoming a universally more affluent society, we are becoming a Poorer society???? Can you wrap your Belgian kool-aid addled mind around this fact : Its BECAUSE of the EURO that so much of Europe is facing Poverty? You are 'those' that you hate. It is few, and even more increasingly few, that are being enriched by the Euro. THE STATE IS NOT YOUR MAMA. You remind of a baby chick who when first popped its shell, saw the cat and said 'Mama'! That ain't your Mama, dude.
Wake up, soak those purple stained lips, that kool aid stain can be a tough one.
Do you understand what you read or do you only read what you understand?
Gauck's view and my point was that the EU has to be more than just an economic bloc.
I did not mention the Euro but, as you raise it, Germany has done very well out of it. Had it stayed with the Dmark, German exports would be much more expensive than they now are and German industry would be faced with even greater competition from foreign imports. For some countries, notably Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Portugal, the reverse has been true. But what has happened in these countries would probably have happened wihout the Euro. Their problem is that they cannot now devalue their currencies, as they would have been able to do previously.
The so-called Euro crisis is, in my view, not simply a crisis of the Euro but is also another facet of the banking crisis. Banks lent to Greece et al without due diligence, and were caught out. Corruption and, or incompetence in the countries concerned were also factors but the Euro was not at fault there either.
If Europe is facing poverty now it is because of the imposition of austerity measures, the leading light of which is Merkel. The lessons learned from Keynes have been rejected and the ideas of Hajek are in the ascendancy. If you want a change you have to change the policies of the government.
The austerity was "imposed" because:
They-were-under-crushing-debt- and-would-be crushed-even-more-if-they-kept-on-borrowing.
I want to ask;
If austerity wasn't "imposed", what would their debt situation be now? If they were being crushed back then, without austerity measures how much more would they be being crushed now?
Then what solutions would you be suggesting?
If borrowing, then spending for stimulus, didn't improve government revenues to keep their debt down before, why would it do that now?
Money-does-not-grow-on-trees. That massively crushing debt would have to be forgiven, that would be the next topic to clamor about.
Keynes showed the usefulness of borrowing to stimulate in lean times. Keynes also argued govt. should curtail spending to cool down overheating economies.
The second part up there, about curtailing spending, is never done in prosperous times, that is when government is supposed to be "austere".
Politicians love to quote Keynes ideas about Govt. spending, but it is really just pork barrel politics. They never follows Keynes theories when it comes to cooling down an economy, they keep on spending more because they have more revenues, and so they doubly overheat an overheating economy and it crashes even harder.
But then, although there are much less revenues, everyone is used to Fat Cow living, and so they insist Govt. borrow the money to keep on supporting the Fat Cow spending. They bring up Keynes a lot at this point.
Maybe enough lessons weren't learned from Keynes. Maybe Keynes' theories can't work because governments and their peoples have shown us they can't stop borrowing and spending. ("Austerity is terrible! Austerity is terrible! Keep on borrowing money!! Keep on borrowing money!! Keynes says it will all work out!!!)
Keynes' theories on stimulus economics have been so overly abused we are into another economic plane and reality where those rules don't apply too well anymore. That is what I think.
But someone please explain to me,
How could austerity AND crushing debt BOTH have been avoided?