Published: 12 Jan 13 08:54 CET | Print version
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Britain's finance minister George Osborne told a German newspaper on Friday that the European Union must change the way it deals with its member states if it aims to keep Britain in its ranks.
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The important thing is the EU must change, so that the british economy improves within the EU, market. In the meantime is disproving and wasting british taxpayers, so the EU must change and fight corruption before it collapsed.
The problem of the US ambasador has, is he forget the german ears they still hearing the burning buildings in dersden during WWII, as mr wolves schauble stated that britten will be isolated, that the EU is the only market in the world according to his scope. The alternative is the EU must change from domestic Franco german level into global level.
One who is willing to leave does not hesitate to slam the door. UK has long threatened to quit the EU, but has always kept herself from making her threats decisive : she knows that it can be a risky step. Instead, she is hanging around in means of sporadic requirements, shakedowns. And it works indeed, it makes Paris and especially Berlin to shudder (they need her, of course).
Whims of a golden hen. UK lays golden eggs, she is de facto a golden hen. And in her legendary pride, UK does not hear the signal and advices from Washington suggesting her to keep her place in the EU. Cameron administration has dryly (almost comically) responded that U.S. has nothing to meddle in a matter between Europeans... Yet it is the same UK that often has been refraining herself to fully play her European card (...). Let us give a go the real matter. Germany hosts the economic lung of Europe : the European Central Bank , a big cake ! Position greatly envied by big fishes. The bottom reason of UK repetitive blackmails is simple (but not easy ) : she too wants to cut a piece out of the big cake. A point at which Germany is too sensitive. Merkel may ever be willing to share the cake that way. Francois Hollande has made the same move, he found a firm Merkel on his way. UK should play softly so as not to rush things. She would use her position at the right time so she can then forward her demands.
Now, whether the UK wants to part of this or not, is their decision, but I don't think it would be in either of our interests to part.
Here's a question for someone. If the UK leaves, will that mean that the goods made in the UK and entering Europe are subject to higher duties? I thinks so, but I'm not sure.
Conceivably, If the increase in duties results in loss of sales, could it not be possible for BMW to move their production of the MINI and Rolls-Royce a little closer to home.
Thats the way, lets leave Europe with a undemocratic leadership that can impose new leaders on the weakest countries ,heaven forbid that somebody suggests that the budget should be frozen while we sort out this sorry mess.While we are at it lets expand East and South so we can have another source of cheap labour but we don't need to ask the electorate as we never have before.
Just asking.
A bunch of elected foreign ministers representing 270m people trying to solve problems facing their 270m is usually called democracy
A single minister representing 70m saying "I will misuse EU rules to stop you addressing the problems of your 270m people unless you tilt the playing field even more in my direction" is usually called blackmail
It is only the Germans/French who have used the words 'Blackmail', 'threat' and 'risk' so far. Just like any country in the EU the UK is simply looking after its own business. It is in the nature of the UK and its people to be slightly isolationist, but that is not always a bad thing.
The UK always raised concerns of having a single currency and these concerns have come to fruition - this is the reason the UK feels less of a responsibilty than other EU countries in solving the EU crisis.
The blackmail bit must be true because Cameron has just explicitly denied it...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9799868/David-Cameron-I-am-not-blackmailing-Europe-over-EU-referendum.html
Anyway, why is it anti-British for posters here to disagree with a position taken by a particular government? Do you always agree with your government? Or, do you reserve the right to think for yourself?
David Cameron today claimed the ¦#39;beating heart¦#39; of the British people wants to remain in the European Union, as he revealed his long-awaited big speech on a new deal with Brussels is finished.
The Prime Minister is under fire from all sides ahead of his landmark speech setting out how he plans to repatriate powers from the EU before staging a public vote.
He attacked the 'bossiness' of Brussels and insisted he was ¦#39;not happy¦#39; with every aspect of the UK¦#39;s relationship with the rest of Europe, but refused to commit to withdrawing if he failed in his bid to secure a better deal.
And he rejected claims from Germany that he was trying to blackmail other European countries into accepting his demands for greater independence.
'I¦#39;m not blackmailing anyone. Just like every other European country Britain has a perfect right to say we are members of this club, we are prominent members, we pay a large bill for being a member of this club. We¦#39;re perfectly entitled to argue that it needs to change.'
A poll yesterday suggested Mr Cameron could see off the rising political threat from Ukip by promising an in-out referendum in his speech. The ComRes poll for the Sunday People found 37 per cent of Ukip supporters would desert the party if that pledge was made.
Nearly two-thirds of those quizzed wanted a national vote on whether Britain should remain in the EU.
The poll also found some 33 per cent said they would cast their ballot in favour of a full withdrawal. However, more people, 42 per cent, said they were against leaving.
It also suggested Ukip could push the Tories into third place in next year¦#39;s European Parliament elections. The poll put Labour on 35 per cent, Ukip on 23, the Tories on 22 and the Lib Dems on 8 per cent.
Is that the same "elected foreign ministers representing 270m people" who imposed a unelected leader on both Greece and Italy ?.
If the E.U. is so democratic why was there no vote on expansion?
I asked in my local German pub last Friday night if anybody could name the elected representative of our small town in the European government although the place was fairly full nobody could ,try this yourselves and then tell me how democratic the E.U. is because if you don't know who is your rep how do you vote them out of office ?.
These are not EU daily business meetings but the participant countries' leaders - the EU's bosses bosses. They determine strategy and give the EU in Brussels their instructions. It isn't the EU bullying Britain but 27 countries trying to find a way forward, together. Of course, the 26 other participants are also fighting their corner, they want to do the best for their electorate, so they sit down and discuss things - they negotiate. Britain once did the same, John Major went into an even more hostile environment in Maastricht and negotiated a really good deal for Britain. But, then, he didn't go into the meeting saying veto, veto and he didn't storm out like a petulant child when others didn't agree with everything he said.
Among other things, the EU defines a free trade area but trade cannot be free unless everybody agrees to a set of minimums. To take an extreme example, there cannot be free trade if one member legalizes child labour - the others cannot compete and so they would introduce tariffs to compensate. Different countries have different ideas about what these minimums should be - Germany and France want tight rules, Britain more liberal rules, but the point is there must be rules and these must be agreed for all. Britain's attitude that it can pick and choose which rules it feels like agreeing to today is unworkable. If they think the rules are too tight then by all means convince the other partners and negotiate looser rules but opt-outs defeat the primary objective.
I agree with nearly everything in your last post. That said, in this post you are mostly talking about trade rules, I think the British mostly have their eye on Justice issues, we can also be mindful that Cameron is in a much more difficult place than Major, having to fend off groups like the UKIP and people like Rupert Murdoch, who is not even a EU citizen, or even a resident.
If Merkel had to protect her right flank from a viable threat taking votes from the right, you can imagine she would be singing a very different tune right now.
Just look at all the borderline racist drivel that came out of Sarkozy's mouth last spring when he faced a threat from Marianne LePen. He was attacking Muslims, Roma, any target he could locate, for the British for historical reasons it is always Brussels rather than the Roma, but it's really the same thing. The smart thing for the EU is for the rest to offer some concessions, and bear this for a while.
Additionally, of all the problems that can only be solved at that stratospheric level, how many are actually ever addressed? There appears to be no enthusiasm to solve real problems at the elected representatives who's job it is.
@sonriete - so you think that the Cameron's of this world just use the EU as a scapegoat? Perhaps Cameron is using a split in the EU to detract from a split in the British union on his watch? How devious! (And, probably correct.)
@jg. - The figures you give do underline how electorates can change their minds rapidly depending on many factors that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. The British mentality of supporting the 'underdog' might make a difference the other direction once euro-skepticism becomes mainstream. Also, the preference for Spitting Image over Newsnight can elevate Farage's Marauders in the short-term but its not clear that the people would actually vote for a glove puppet when it really counts. I guess we'll see.