Published: 15 Nov 12 12:55 CET | Print version
Updated: 15 Nov 12 15:03 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20121115-46191.html
Greek protesters threw coffee and eggs at Germany's consul to Thessaloniki when he was talking about trade between the countries, officials said on Thursday.
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1 EURO=1,9 DEUTCHE MARKS
1 EURO=340,75 DRACHMAS!!
With the Euro you managed to devalue your Deutche mark...without printing Deutche marks!!!
Germany=cheap Deutche mark Greece=expensive Drachma!!
..And that is Germanys fault raandy!!(aND IM NOT SAYING THAT GREECE IS WITHOUT ( MANY) SINS EITHER...)
What are you smoking? 1 DEM was worth 174,222709 GRD back in 2002.
Some years ago I spent a holiday in Greece and swore never to go there again. I found the people surly and unhelpful.
How convenient for the Greeks to blame someone else for their shortcomings and ills.
1. Redwing: Italians did not steel tons of golds from greece and brought it to Germany
2. Raandy, all of this was knowns when Verkel imposed Greece to buy submarines from Thyssenkrup, when Deutsche and Commerzbank bank invested tons of money in Greek BOND, and when Siemens signed a contract for Greek trains (thanks to Verkelö help again)...
And to Hoelscher-Obermaier: compare also the salaries in Germany and Greece. If in Germany the guy earns 2000 Euros, in Greece will earn 1000 Euros...
Anyway, Germany and Verkel are unfortunately leading EU to a disaster.. But glad that crisis has hit Germany too... You get was u deserve :-)
"Merkel imposed Greece to buy submarines from Thyssenkrup" - really? How exactly did she do that? I am pretty sure you have solid proof in this regard, right?
"compare also the salaries in Germany and Greece. If in Germany the guy earns 2000 Euros, in Greece will earn 1000 Euros..." - yes, and in Bulgaria he would earn 400 Euros. But it does not take 5 people to do the work of one.
"Stand united to kick out the Nazis" - did the protesters refer to the Greek mobs attacking legal immigrants in Greece?
I feel sorry for Mr. Hoelscher-Obermaier that he had to go through this.
answers:
1. see below.. If u do not believe she imposed it, however the first think Germany could ask Greece to cut its defence costs. Why do not they do it???? LOL
http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/1383501-greece-still-splashes-out-billions-defence
2. I go often to East Europe unfortunately for you. Low efficiency and demotivation in public offices is typical, as salaries are crap..
I would not feel sorry for this guy, he is a politician and he should not be speaking like BILD. But it seeems all Verkel's friends are the same..
WHAT AM I SMOKING??
GREECE ADOPTED THE EURO IN JANUARY 2001 IDIOT!!!
From wiki:
On 31 December 1998, the European Central Bank (ECB) fixed the irrevocable exchange rate, effective 1 January 1999, for German mark to euros as DM 1.95583 = €1.
Three modern Greek currencies, the first introduced in 1832 and the last replaced by the euro in 2001 (at the rate of 340.750 drachma to the euro). The euro did not begin circulating until 2002 but the exchange rate was fixed on 19 June 2000, with legal introduction of the euro taking place in January 2002.
The Germans didn't force the Greek to become a member of the Eurozone - it was their own decision.
Can anyone tell me why people that loan money to debtors with a poor reputation for repaying have no say in the terms of the loan...?
Can anyone tell me why anyone would loan any money to a country who routinely state they have no intention to repay anything.... amidst declaring $500 billion euros of natural gas..?
Do you have any idea how household income/ labor rates are calculated? Yes, that is a rhetorical question because I clearly recognize you do not. No person trained, or even quasi-trained, in economics would ever question the absence of balance in labor rates between Germany and Greece.
Your understanding of economics is that of a tabloid skill-set. There is no correlation between a common-currency and the drivers we use to gauge household income/ labor rates. Please tell me how low efficiency and demotivation in public offices are two of the components we use to calculate labor rates? And yes, this too is a rhetorical question.
I have also holidayed in Greece and found the people friendly and helpful ,I would advice anyone except (the Germans at the moment )to go and enjoy a wonderful country .
And please commemorators don't forget it wasn't the ones who are suffering around the globe who started this it was the ones who are still there and have not changed or been brought to book that should fall under a ran of coffee and eggs (that is a youthanism for other things don't you know)
How selective. When speaking of Greece, Portugal, and Spain, when you are over-leveraged as a family, you are elevating personal economic risk, and when you elevate personal economic risk, you are compounding national economic risk. When you vote for entitlement polices that far exceed both productivity and revenue rates over any statistically measured period 10, 15, or even 20 years, you are a contributor to the problem.
Germany and France turned a blind eye, even though they knew,that Greece wasnt ready to enter the Eurozone...they needed new customers to sell their(cheaper with the Euro)products...
OK, so actually you cannot back your statement regarding a submarines from Thyssenkrup. Nothing new.
"Low efficiency and demotivation in public offices is typical, as salaries are crap.." - sure, we both agree on that (with some exceptions, like renewing your driving licence in Romania in 2 hours). Point is, even if salaries are much higher in Greece than in Bulgaria or Romania, efficiency is much lower.
"I would not feel sorry for this guy, he is a politician and he should not be speaking like BILD" - what exactly did he say that you found similar to Bild style? The only quote in this article is: "It was a misunderstanding that was resolved. I feel more pro-Greek than ever."
As for me, I am utterly turned off by their character. It is only recently that I am seeing its true colours so NO GREECE HOLIDAY for me. Thanks for the invite anyway to those that are not German (someone mentioned it above) ...
Well, as far as I know the Greek actually cheated into the Eurozone by showing wrong figures - either they did that on purpose or they simply were not able to give any right figures what wouldn't surprise me when you take into consideration that the Greek didn't even know how many civil cervants they actually employed.
But yes, you are right - it was a huge mistake that the Germans, the French et al. let Greece become a member of the Eurozone - a small and insignificant country now causing big problems.
But once again: Neither did the Germans and French force the Greek to become a member of the Eurozone nor did they force them to buy their products - it was their very own decision.
A day later, hundreds of thousands demonstrators in Portugal greeted Merkel's visit in Lisbon with angry protests and with posters depicting her as a puppetmaster and as a female Hitler (h--p://bit.ly/RA19tI)
The Local didn't report any of the above incidents. Instead they promptly reported the yesterday's relatively minor incident in Greece. And I wonder why. Is it a few hundreds Greeks protesting against the German consul with coffee and eggs more important news story than hundreds of thousands Portuguese protesting against the German chancellor with Nazi posters or thousands of Italians protesting against the German Labour Minister, and wannabe next chancellor, with rocks and bottles?
Of course it isn't. Then why The Local constantly reports even the minor events in Greece while constantly omits to report much more important incidents of the same nature in Italy, Portugal and Spain?
Is it because they want to make us believe that those incidents are only isolated in Greece and not in the rest of the PIIGS nations, in order to boost their comments section with ignorant comments full of stereotypes and generalizations about Greece and the Greeks, therefore ignoring the real culprits of the Eurozone crisis?
P.S. And of course, The Local has failed to report in its current story that there weren¦#39;t only the Greeks who protested but also Germans, including a German lawmaker. Here is the same story from the Wall Street Journal (h--p://on.wsj.com/TLYmxk)
Reports of The Local seem also one-sinded in a way that it loves to report about Nazis in Germany. There is so much more going on in Germany and about Germany than a bunch of Nazis and successfull anti-Merkel populism in Southern Europe (I am against austerity too but to blame Merkel for the whole situation is totally out of context but people and media love simple solutions and pick here as the scapegoat).
If I would only read The Local and would not know Germany better I would think Germnay is full of Nazis and the rest of the world hates Germany/Merkel- unless those who flock there to get a job. I am glad that The Local is only read by a very tiny group of peope - and a few even do not like to read the articles but post the same thing in various ways refering to an allegedly "smart" guy ;)
Greeks throw coffee and eggs at German consul # 26 commends
US mag prints list of 'top 10 German generals' # 45 commends
but is completely gone from the lists,even on the most popular section
how come?
TO THESE ANONYMOUS INDIVIDUALS: YOU DO NOT HAVE THE MORAL RIGHT TO THROW SUCH TOXIC REMARKS AGAINST THE FIRST LABORATORY OF DEMOCRACY ON THIS EARTH. YOUR FAMILIES AND YOUR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HAVING PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
Well thank you for not beating about the bush ,say what you mean, and as some of us get older thank you for shouting .
What would the stoics of that democracy have made of your comment?
BECAUSE ONLY WE, CONTRARY TO THE BARBARIANS,NEVER COUNT THE ENEMY IN BATTLE.
Read history, understand global economics and then argue about the GREEKS!