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Updated: 23 Feb 11 20:31 CET
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German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg has grown more popular despite a plagiarism scandal, according to a new poll. His alma mater stripped him of his doctorate Wednesday, as he offered a mea culpa in parliament.
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who were the test subjects?
as lordkorner said its a bunchofbollocks.
Germany is hitting that phase again, unless a normal so what decent human being steps forward. The same thing will happen again with a anti-immigrate anti-anybody who does not look German rises up and makes himself known the german youth want a leader and they do not remember the world wars or the sins of their forefathers
Where in the world did you come up with that. Talk about a bunchofbollocks....
One might want to stand back and examine this entire desire in the public now for higher education....and whether it's really a necessary thing to carry out your life's dreams. Half the people walking around with a master's degree...probably don't have anything to really show for the vast amount of time and effort put into the degree.
Way to go SZ!!!
Proof of plagiarism is damning enough, one needs to be either a.) an idiot or b.) a liar.
Neither of those prospects says something good about the guilty party.
@ pepsionice
Dissertations and Theses are constantly scrrutinized in Germany, that's why Universities have wholly separate examination offices here ('Prufungsamt'). So the situation you call for, already exists.
No, that is not possible. No sane person can overlook not writing even the introduction of his own PhD thesis.
Anyway, what is so humble and honest in admitting one's mistake if one has no other choice?
Is Mr. Guttenberg playing to be Dr.Jackel or he is in reality Mr. Hide....???? that is something I am wondering. But you have to admit... What a skills !!!!!! what a talent to change the reality and manipulated the medias.. that´s what impressed me more... But Mr. Hide.... the audience is not stupid.... the news says that the Stadistics shows a mayority of support Mr. Googleberg and that sentence make me laugh...
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT STADICTICS CAN BE MANIPULATED BUT THE PUBLIC OPINION DOESNT CHANGE.... and that´s for sure... Mr. Hide is a Liar, and he weakness of character to recognize it is another point to not believe in an improvised reseults of an invented survey with the only porpuse to save his job, and get some back credibility.
What a waist, and in this effort the Governement of Merket instead to recover the image of a solid goverment ,SHE PROTECT HIM... putting all medias strategies in terms to manipulate the opinion. I am so IMPRESSED for the cinism of the Merkel to make a blind fold vision of the weakness of character of Googleberg, and What Googleberg made is unexcusable... what kind of german he is... !!!!! What kind of message he is ginving to the ones are following this politics carreer... that like machiavello: All means are allowed to get the goal????
Whit all people I have spoken , they all are pretty much upset because Googleberg has prooved to be cinic, liar, un-truthworthy and somone where YOU CAN NOT TRUST...!!!!!!
Mr. Hide has done very much good work to keep his position.
Mr. Guttenberg now is excusing himself , like he has been a character behaviing like a bipolar personage of a terror book , I thought that they were part of the fantasy of a writer, but the reallity can be more disgusting that the fantasy. He is Mr.Hide....
And now this lines are for you Mr. Guttenberg,
My father tought me that The character of a person must to be inmaculated, because from that comes the respect and we become what we think and what we make. Have you heard about values like: trust + character + dignity + honesty + intelligence+ reliance, Well , I dont think so, because you have prooved failed in all of them. I am really upset because you have built your complete carreer based on a lie. Applying to all those positions you got based on a lie... and now as a minister YOU BECOME THE LIE....
Keep lying and hidding yourself Dr. Jackel, or should I say , Mr. Hide ???...
It's actually not 'a big if', he has admitted being a plagiarist, which is a form of cheating.
What would you expect from these brains shaped over years by Bild Zeitung?
The first time when he was asked about plagiarism. he said: this is non sense.
In my opinion. he did not know about the details in the thesis.
I assume if was really behind all these copy/pasted parts and they are many he would have been more careful in his statement.
The moral of the story........a Ghostwriter needs to be identified.
Is the ruling class now so insulated that they think no one is paying attention?
This is not about long forgotten footnotes. Guttenberg did not just write a "sloppy doctorate"; nor has he, in contrast to what he claims, admitted any guilt. The charge against him is plagiarism, of stealing the intellectual property of others. He denies this and his attempt to present himself as a penitent sinner, despite admitting nothing but that which has been long proven, shows how morally bankrupt he is. He lied in the past and he continues to lie.
That he committed deliberate plagiarism with the intent to deceive can be clearly seen in his introduction to his doctorate. Here he takes a passage almost word for word form a newspaper article, but changing the time reference (from "200 years ago" to "215 years ago") to indicate that he is the real author. That is not a just a mistake as he claims.
It is a disgrace that he lied in the past and lies now; it is adding insult to injury that he presents himself as an example to others due to his supposed willingness to admit his failings (when he has done nothing of the sort). It is a scandal that the middle-class parties have abandoned any concept of middle-class values in order to defend him, and in doing so attack a central pillar of formal education, namely competitive examination. It is frightening that education has such a low value in German society that nearly three quarters of the population cannot see what the problem is.
"But what this guy's thesis has anything to do with his job?"
As was already said yesterday in Bundestag, can he drive drunken? In your logic it is an criminal matter and it should be dealt with in an criminal way, not political way, because it has nothing to do with his performance on his job as a cabinet minister.
BTW: As far as the meaning of life is concerned, the answer is 42.
Bild.de
55% say, he should resign.
Is there any control over these surveys?
"But what this guy's thesis has anything to do with his job? if he has cheated(and it's always remain a big if) then it is an academic matter and it should be dealt with in an academic way, not political way, because it has nothing to do with his performance on his job, period! "
Absolutely wrong. Politicians hold a position of public trust. Once a politician violates that trust by not only lying to the public, but continuing to lie even against all evidence to the contrary, he ceases to have credibility. What else is he lying about? If he is willing to lie about something "small" then why should anyone think that he won't give a second thougt about lying about something much bigger?
But you are righ about one thing. The public is by and large stupid, easily distracted, and easily manipulated. This will be mostly forgotten and people will like him even more for being a liar and a cheat, as evidenced by the survey showing that he is even more popular now than he was before. Just like in the case with Bill Clinton where he was proven to have committed perjury, Guttenberg will emerge from this as popular as ever thanks to a public easily impressed by hype and glamour.