February 10, 2012
Published: 24 Apr 10 10:44 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20100424-26753.html
The designated social minister in Lower Saxony – Germany’s first woman Muslim state minister – has called for crucifixes to be removed from state schools, saying they have as little place there as headscarves.
DDP/The Local (news@thelocal.de)
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I do however, completely agree with her.
I wish her the best in her crusade.
continue to flash the devil signs...
maybe the world will turn out better...
this is one crazy world indeed!!
I concur with those who say as long as religion is taught here in schools, the demand or proposition looks ridiculous.........
Very bad things happens when a person, or nation walks away from the protection of God. I hope the German people will think long and hard about this too.
Logic Guy: What are you talking about? The USD also has NWO references.
I think that the reason G-d, no matter what G-d or religion you believe in, the US holds values and morals to practice your choise or religious freedom of expression.
Germany is one of the leading athiest countries in teh world, so not sure where they are going with that. Its understandable, that their was and currently has so much pagan and cult references in German society...
Atheism is intolerant of Christian free will.
Socialism is intolerant of Christian free will.
Islam is especially intolerant of Christian free will and all infidel belief systems.
Unless Germany renews its spirit, it really is headed for moozlim dark ages.
Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teahers as role models during their development period. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
No body has the right to tell a woman how to dress, or worse, how to undress? Let her wear what she likes, especially if it's part of her religion. I see the banning of headscarves or niqabs as an attack on both religious freedom and on the rights of women & girls.
Each and every Muslim child should be in a state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role model during their developmental periods. Bilingual Muslim children need to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time they need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.
There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my iopinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools.
Iftikhar Ahmad
London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
It is a product of Marxist/Atheisist inject into our culture, designed to destroy the parent culture, and make the US vulnerable to Marxist/Aheist manipulation and eventual assimulation, once it is weak enough.
This Woman is trying to destroy the native German culture, so she can substitute something, the question is souless Atheism or Medeval Islam, eventually when it all falls apart.
Go to Church and pray for Germany, it will need it, soon enough.
Read the posts below mine to see what I mean...
On a different note, when did this site pick up all these whacked-out American neo-con types? It seems like every third comment to anything is some underwhelming effort to compare Germany's political climate to the hyper-polarized bucket of insanity that has reigned in America for the past ten years. Not that I really mind. It makes for great comedy.
The attention should be paid to the second paragraph; she is against to the headscarf at school, too. What is the difference between wearing headscarf and carrying a crucifix?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781#
This article was also titled to mislead. It was written for the sole purpose to rouse arguments and increase revenue or profit margins.
After reading the complete article, I formed the opinion that Ms. ?-zkan is taking a sensible (but futile) approach to an never ending, senseless situation.
If this girl represents the future of a larger non-christian minority in germany, and the christian comments on this post represent the alternative, I think I prefer her way.
This is a traditionally Christian area. I think if they want to have crucifixes on the walls, fine. It is up to foreigners to conform to German beliefs, not Germans to conform to every tom, dick and mohammed who shows up.
I believe you are way off track with your comments. Are you forgetting in which situation, country and mainly continent the emphasis is centred on ??!!!! Unbelievable....
Probably you could win the hearts and minds of many with your comments somewhere in an islamist country........
When you create a vacuum something must fill it. Could it be that rampant abortion which has led to the population decline be what has led to rampant immigration to fill the necessary jobs. Could it be that rampant Godlessness has led to a rampant filling of the spiritual void by promotion of those who accept other gods? Will it be that the God of the ages passes judgment soon or is he already passing judgment with the natural consequences of our choices?
There is no need for a Christian minister to ban headscarves in schools in Turkey, they are already banned, even in universities.
The world is shamefully silent over the Egyptian government and Saudi Arabia involvement in the kidnapping of Christian Egyptian girls in Egypt. Kidnapped Christian female children are violently converted to Islam and forcibly married/raped to adult Muslim males.
Does the uncaring, mainstream media not report this because telling the truth about Islam would make Islam look bad? Protecting Islam is considered more important by Western mainstream media and government leaders than protecting the lives of desperate, defenseless innocent children!
ASSYRIAN INTERNATIONAL NEWS AGENCY
8-11-2009
Abduction and Forced Islamization of Christian Coptic Girls Continues in Egypt
(AINA) — The systematic abduction and forced Islamization of Coptic minor girls in Egypt is a frequent, dangerous and a rapidly escalating phenomenon. Coptic Pope Shenouda III, December 17th, 197: ?"there is pressure being practiced to convert Coptic girls to embrace Islam and marry them under terror to Muslim husbands?" and demanded that the abducted girls be brought back to their families.
Abductions are done in cooperation between Saudi-funded associations and the Egyptian State Security.
…in the majority of cases, the State Security is the one who masterminds the kidnapping plans.?"
http://www.aina.org/news/20090811125748.htm
The U.S. gifts Egypt with 2.2 billion dollars every year.
?'He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death.?' Bible, Exodus 21:16
Saudi authorities shred all Bibles found on anyone at the airport in Saudi Arabia. Bibles that contain the unchangeable laws of G-D.
You fundies are unreal.
Anyways, score one for a secular society!
That said, a Muslim wants to ban a Christian symbol that has been a tradition in German schools? Whether or not she is right or wrong she is very stupid for advocating that.
Her statement is about as smart as Angela Merkel going to a Mosque and saying that the best doeners in the world are the pork doeners her dad uses to make after church. Leave it to a Christian colleague to fight that battle. It's called credibility.
You've got it backwards. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was ratified specifically to protect people FROM religion, not to protect religion from the government. The founders knew all too well how religion had been used to persecute people under the authority of secular law, which is why they fled that system. In fact, the entire concept of the U.S. Bill of Rights was to protect the minority from the oppression of the majority. You should read up on Thomas Jefferson.
Don't you have a tea party to go to?
You sounda angry. Almost kind of disturbed. Europe is a problem. Islam is the answer. Its too late. Either leave your rotting country or convert. You are an infidel.
why don't you go back to Afghanistan or Iraq, hang out with your Al Quida friends and get your head blown off, courtesy of the USA
and
wmm208... Nope not angry either... Just seeing rights of everyone put aside for special interests... Suddenly Muhummad is a bad word..and a cartoon is being censored ..THAT's B.S. and U know it.. I could give a ratz a$$ about Muhummad ... and wouldnt care if it was a SLUG being portrayed as muhummad... Rights are being dissolved due to THREATS from Muslim Extremists... it's not acceptable..they are still VIOLENT no matter who complies...You dont threaten violence and death... You are usually big enough to ignore it.. Too bad one of the prerequisites arent being educated before joining islam...
What party does she think she belongs to???
Not the Muslim Democratic Party. She needs to go live in Turkey and take the rest of the Turks back with her. Germany is fine without all the muslims.
Why should any non-christian, Jew or atheist be subjected to christian religious symbols in public schools? Or any religious symbols, for that matter? The very notion is insulting to millions of people who don't want someone else's religion shoved down their throat. I don't pay taxes to promote religion in public schools.
2. When, despite 5000 years of counter example, you still believe that the past is better than whatever the future holds
3. When you are paranoid and assume everybody else has you hang-ups
4. When you consider 'dialog' to mean you rant and all others listen
I capitalized Jew because Judaism is a specific religion. I did not capitalize christian because it is not a specific religion, but a generic term for those who follow any number of specific religions that profess to follow the teachings of Christ.
Getting a bit pedantic, are we?
I'd be happier to have a little more "unbelievable stupidity" like hers and less really stupid ideas such as 'us' & 'them', 'good' & 'evil' and that any religion is superior to another or to no religion at all.
Whether one believes in religion or not, it has no place in a public school curriculum, anywhere on this planet. If I wanted to live in a theocracy I'd move to Iran or America.
To paraphrase what many others have said before, 'good people do good things, bad people do bad things, but for a good person to do a bad thing, that takes religion'.
We see this with regards the christians up in Ireland, fighting over nonsensical arguments that have been around since the 1500s. We see this with regards jews for the marginalization of non-jews in Israel. We see this with muslims that can't handle the portrayal of Moham ... He's got pork in his name, look at that.
Islam, is just as bad as the rest, surely not everyone is violent in any religion, but all religions are inherently unrational, this often leads to the irrational, which leads to stupidity and violence. Anything that leaves room for the unrational is insufficient as a system of belief meant to provide for moral or ethical foundations.
PRUFROCK, who pee'd in your CHEERIOS this morning????
perhaps you should try some Prune juice...
Im a CHRISTIAN, And i know that here in the USA groups have been trying to take GOD out of everything..off the currency, removed from the pledge , removing nativitiy scenes from STORES and Court houses.. AND low and behold, Here comes ISLAM... Taking over...They are offended by our symbols..but yet want their symbols EVERYWHERE..
Remove God, and things eventually go all to "H#LL....
Don't believe me? Just look at the USA where Christians are constantly mocked. Christian symbols are routinely banned and removed, while other religious symbols are allowed.
How do you expect people to respond with your and your peers' claims to special moral privledge. You are the pee in our cheerios, we wake up in the morning and because it's simply to early to read in German we go to our native langaunge news for Germany only to find idiotic posters left and right speaking ou their #sses like it's a foxnews board or something. On that note, I would rather wallow in any hell then spend an enternity with the likes of you in any heaven. Your smug, 'my morality is the best' bullsh#t' is ignorant, offensive, and reactionary.
Every day the newspapers are chock full of articles about how christianity has been "perfected." Ratzinger is the poster boy for christian perfection.
So now we have a global conflict between christianity that is mired in the 15th century (i.e., the Catholic Church) and Islam, that demands that its adherents live in the 12th century. This is progress. This is evolution. This is perfection.
A pox on all their houses. Religion is the greatest evil ever devised by mankind.
WOW talk about a BITER PERSON...Im not attacking anyone on their views of Christianity ...Im simply stating... Removing GOD from every aspect of life, is not a great idea. SOMEONE created US, you can decide on your own who that was. MY concern is that a crucifix is a symbol...that has been part of the Cultures for a very long time. Take it or leave it..I cant imagine that something simply hanging on a wall out of the way,,is OFFENSIVE... Since when has the human population become so weak that cant just IGNORE it..but instead need to sue and bring legal action because their EYES ARE OFFENDED???
IF you want to WALLOW in H#LL Wallow away..Im not stopping you....
On the other hand, he is always wrong.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/
CDU Turkish Minister Appointment 'Flops'
A Muslim woman's appointment as the first state minister with Turkish roots was meant to be a coup for Germany's conservative Christian Democrats. But Aygül ?-zkan ignited a firestorm by stating that crucifixes should be banned from classrooms. German commentators say the incident has damaged Chancellor Angela Merkel's party.
I deduce that Logic Guy and rebel4us have not done so with any understanding.
I have also read that none of the first five Presidents of the USA was in fact anything more than a Deist.
The great revolutionary pamphleteer Thomas Paine specifically DEFENDED the idea of the existence of God in "Age of Reason".
But he utterly REJECTED Islam, Judaism, the church of Rome, and all the rest of Christianity.
She needs to talk to Waffa Sultan.