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In the long run, incalculable social costs and costs to the cultures of the West will make foreign investment pay off. EU companies investing in Romania, for instance, can make a real difference that goes beyond creating some local jobs: skills acquired can be spread to the next generation; new social values can take root; taxes can be collected from those employed in Romania, and the country can realize real gains, social and economic. To bring people to the West only to create social chaos is a stupid option.
But, this is what we are asked to believe, not just in Germany but its a constant scream in Britain, France, Netherlands and other European countries. Beware the migrants coming to raid our social security! Don't be daft!
I am old enough to remember Nocker Powell and his "rivers of blood". I thought it was idiocy then and, watching real people since that time, I'm now even more convinced it's idiocy.
If they really exist, they are the ones that are least likely to move. They know what suffering is and can imagine it can be worse. Those with the least to lose are those most afraid of losing what they have got. All western countries have been trying to get the unskilled mobile and moving from areas of suddenly no work, like mining regions, to areas where more work exists - they all fail. Not because the unskilled love being out of work but because they are afraid. And, that is within the same country.
Some people are born sufficiently ambitious, brave and adventurous that they can overcome their fears and just up-sticks and go somewhere else but you won't find these guys on social security. And, some might consider their existing environment so dangerous that a leap into the unknown is safer, real refugees, but you won't find many in Romania. Some are raised with no suffering and are sufficiently schooled they use the milk-and-honey logic - physicists now driving taxis? But, whichever way you cut it, the hoards of poor signing on social security is a myth.
That's because EU member states may not discriminate against EU citizens exercising their treaty rights to freedom of movement. They have to treat EU immigrants the same as German citizens.
michael4096 "Imagine a person that is so lazy he will pick up his family, leave his friends, leave everything he is familiar with, move to an unknown, possibly hostile culture, navigate unknown and hostile bureaucracy in a foreign language all so that he can live below the poverty line"
You are forgetting that the poverty line in Germany is likely to represent a considerable improvement for some people from countries in Eastern Europe. Consider the case of Ali Majlat: this Romanian vagrant raped a young woman in the UK and told the court that he did this "in order to go to prison to get accommodation and learn English". This may be an extreme example but there are plenty of people who see a life on housing and child benefits as a significant improvement on their situation. They can also expect that their children may have better opportunities.
They do! Your implication that there is institutional discrimination in the German social laws is unfounded - the EU itself is very careful about this and quite prepared to prosecute country that doesn't legislate fairly. What the article doesn't say is that Germans also sometimes disagree with the way social rules are applied, they also sue and they also most often win. The article also doesn't point out that in Germany your legal fees are only covered if there is broad concensus between legal experts that you have a case in the first place - ergo, if any case by a poor person even gets to court, it will probably win.
So some people like prison for whatever reason and are prepared to commit crimes to get there? Please, refer to the British sitcom Porridge for an exhaustive study of this subject. Though how this relates to someone on borderline starvation in Romania choosing instead borderline starvation in Germany, I don't understand.
As for families wanting the best for their children - what parent doesn't? Though, for prospective immigrants, that would be balanced against, for example, the possibility of losing their children to the very same social security system. It happens enough that I'm sure all sorts of stories are circulating the slums of Sofia about children taken into care in all western EU countries, not just Germany. Most people will risk themselves far more than they'll risk their children.
Sorry, you've not convinced me. I'm well aware of poverty lines and that the German line is higher than some others. But, the psychological and physical challenges facing such people far outweigh their belief in milk-and-honey. If thousands and thousands of people had already done the trip and could go back to their homeland on holiday and boast how the stupid Germans were prepared to just pay for people to just sit around in palacial appartments watching Porridge, then you might get some interest. It doesn't happen because it isn't true; and, just 'cos these people are poor doesn't mean they're stupid.