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Having seen the disastrous consequences of virulent anti-Semitism firsthand, Germany must lead the fight against Europe’s rising intolerance towards Muslims, writes The Local’s Marc Young.
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Man is a tribal animal and needs to belong to something. This is where religions get their power. Back before homo-sapiens, the tribes had to be protected and beings from another tribe were always treated with caution at best. Religions and governments maintain their power by creating the fear of the less understood.
It won't change. It's what man is.
With all of that being said, the question now is "What will it take to get humans to follow a logical, rational approach to living?"
I'm sure by now, that most people would agree that extraordinary ideas are seriously needed to solve Europe's cultural problems. The fact is, most Europeans actually want a conservative governement. And I'm now sure that Real Conservatism is the only thing that can heal Europe and the world.
Real Conservatism.
I like most the end of the article:
No matter your race, creed or colour, if you adhere to the principles of the constitution the Basic Law in Germany¦#39;s case you should be welcome. Anything else is bigotry, plain and simple.
If you were born in India you might be a sihk and follow their beliefs.
Who we are is soley based on where we were born and not what is true. Lets all get a grip and forget the crap about what religion belongs where and unify in the fact that the core values and standards of the world are more important than which entity created the world.
Amen and all variations of the word.
Conversely, Jesus was not a warrior. He was a pacifist. He never fought or killed anyone. Others who came after him may have been warriors, like Karl der Grosse, and Pope Urban II, but Jesus himself was a peacenik, and his message was explicitly one of anti-violence. So one can honestly say that anyone who commits violence in the name of Jesus is distorting the religion.
In Germany, there is a shadow of a warrior from the not-so distant past who still looms large over the country; whose very symbol and speeches can earn jail time for anyone who flaunts them. Many of his followers still wish to emulate him. Those who lived under his regime and joined his party were free to carry on with their lives after the war so long as they didn't commit any crimes personally and denounced his actions. The same standard should be applied to Islam.
How many cartoonists and filmmakers must die before Germans start to make the connection?
Wake up! Of course they want to change your life. They want to change everything you do and everything you think. Don't be so damn naive!
and Logic guy being the guy he is ,has a one word answer to ALL our problems
" CONSERVATISM " thank you for rescuing mankind from the depths of despare ...
What is clearly influencing this is the ongoing drive of multiculturalism. Europe and the world is being indoctrinated with this ideology. Multiculturalism is merely one of the many engines within the PC movement and its drive for globalisation and world domination. Political correctness is revealed through such words as tolerance, diversity, multiculturalism, and feminism. So what is real multiculturalism?
Multiculturalism is not the study of many cultures but the criticism of the Western Culture and its founding worldview of Christianity. Multicultural, anti-western self-hate is consuming the West. All of these engines within the Political Correctness movement are part of Cultural Marxism.
Small children are naturally not racist, they consider those about them, whoever they, are 'normal'. As our sense of normal solidifies we naturally fear those that appear different but we are still not naturally racist.
I was raised by a generation who were young during the second world war and they talked about GIs - 'overpaid, over-sexed and over here'. One of their overwhelmingly emotional memories was the vehemence that white GIs tried to stop contact between black GIs and locals. It ranged from well meant warnings, through threats to violence at times. The locals couldn't understand it - but, black GIs were no more threatening than white ones to them, quite the opposite: they were a sort of novelty.
Ironically, some of these colour-blind locals when they were young turned into real racists as Britain's own black population grew and others warned of death and destruction for 'decent folk'.
Of course, the death and destruction never really happened and most locals, though pretty old now, seem once again content about colour. They also seem to fear less the rhetoric about muslims - like measles, caught racism once and now immune.
A) German is a very difficult and gramatically complex language. Many foreigners (from diverse backgrounds) as well as many Germans, don't speak it well. The language courses are expensive too.
B) Most Germans are racist and ignorant and do not intergrate with other (esp non-European) foreigners. When they do, it's usually "zweckgebunden" ...with an agenda. Usually sex, improving their language skills or if they are rejects in their own societies and feel more accepted by foreigners.
C) Germans living in Asia, Africa and the Arab world neither intergrate nor even bother to learn the language. They stick to themselves, have a superior attitude and constantly badmouth the locals. D) I can't think of anything inviting or exciting about the German culture other than the beer...if you drink alcohol. The food is not the best, the music, film and TV just as bad, fashion and design live a lot to be desired....etc Thank God for the Turkish Donner Kebab.
E) Rude, uptight, self-righteous,critcal and judgemental, ..................A day in the German world and you come home needing a very stiff drink. There are even web-sites dedicated to German rudeness.
F) It's been years since I met a German who believes in God, let alone considers him/herself Christian. When they're not attacking Muslims, they're tearing down Christianity. The Churches are so empty, your footsteps echo as you walk in. How hypocritical to pull out the religion card every time election comes around.
G) While calling for the turks to intergrate, perhaps they should also call for the 100, 000 Germans a year who run away from this place as well as their most famous sons and daughters....Boris Becker, Claudia Schiffer, Michael Schumacher and Heidi Klum to come back too. H)Half the German population are medically certified as depressed. SO,STOP BLAMING IMMIGRANTS. BLAME THE SYTEM. SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH IT AND IT'S AFFECTIONG THE GERMANS TOO.
I think every society "gathers the wagons" when times are tough. It is easier to ignore the "different" people when they aren't a noticeable burden on society. When times are hard, everyone looks at their household budgets to cut the fat, and then onto their national budgets. I think every society protects itself first, and it is completely rational. If the Turks had done a better job of integrating into German society, then there would be no question of them being a part of society that was being protected. Americans are similarly going after Hispanics who are often illegal immigrants and when they are legal, often do not integrate into society. The Japanese, who revere conformity, have a great saying for this, "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down." If you want to fit into a society and be included in its protection, don't be the nail that sticks up."
@nyags - You calling this statement "simple fact" says far more about you than the 40 million germans you are painting
2. I respect other views as long as those views dont stop me from my way of living
3. All religions are the same, only the expression ist different. The all believe that there is something overseeing (maybe controlling) whats going on, the people make the difference not the faith.
If you don't control immigration, you are going to end up Foreigners (like the Sorbs) in your own land. Limit immigration and demand that people who intend to stay try to aasimulate.
Obviously, when it comes to our security, we must protect ourselves when actually threatened. However, most issues such as the ones you mention don't affect our security or anybody outside the countries concerned. It doesn't matter how barbaric you think it is, you can only make things worse by trying to do something about it. Like living with an unruly teenager, laying down the law from the outside or worse acting like a petulant teenager yourself in 'retaliation' does far more harm than good
Living the ideals we would all like and allowing the majority within other countries to make up their own minds about what they want will bring more security than always preaching how evil they are and how righteous we
Allah bless Germany and make Germans less hateful by cleaning hatred from German blood.
Assimilation means expecting the exact clone of yourself religiously, culturally and mentally seen.
Integration means speaking the language, knowing your rights and getting along with folks.
Civilized nations don't expect folks to assimilate and live the idea that everyone is unique and lets keep it that way.
This is eaxctly where Germans miss the point.
I hereby leave an open end to this story with 5 Oscars!
Moral of the story, tough guys can eliminate racism from Germany. Be tough immigrants, integrate but do not assimilate and fight back the racist!
In most western countries, the bulk of the religions are largely "a part" of a person's life. They go to church on Sunday, perhaps a pray meeting on some other day, and celebrate some religious holidays. If their children attend a church-sponsored school, then there are some additional things because of that. That is, more or less, the norm.
However, from the outside, Islam appears to dictate every aspect of life for Muslims. They must attend prayers multiple times every day. They must adhere to many other rules that regulate their lives. In a pure sense, religion is not divorced at all from the rules of society, i.e. Sharia Law.
While this is merely (and I use that word very carefully) a part of their religion, it appears to outsiders like they are overly controlled by their church. Respect for their beliefs and customs is tough when they appear "so different" than other religions.
Certainly there is nothing wrong with any of those beliefs. Other than pure quantity, they are no different than orthodox sidelocks or a woman or man covering their head when entering a church/synagogue. The real problem is that it is so hard to see past those things.
Also, at least from my own observations, Islam in general has done little to de-mystify things. That's the fault of no one, yet I think it remains another element in the problem.
Lastly, and I don't know how to fix this, after the attacks of September 11 we heard little from the greater Islamic community. Perhaps they were stunned, as we all were. Perhaps it seemed like a good time to keep a very low profile...and, honestly, it probably was. However, had some prominent Islamic representative denounced the attacks it would have changed the opinions of many. Since the linkage was portrayed, there needed to be some effort to break that link. Most of us heard nothing.
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Foreigners should not be allowed to interfere with this right and should be disregarded.
People have found out, by various means, that most people who criticise Europeans or Americans in respect of banned veils, minarets, Saudi-funded mosques and immigration, and pretending to be atheists, Poles, British, Germans or whatever are in actual fact Pakistanis living in Britain.
Germans feeling insulted by such contributions should be aware of the source.
If you don't want to assimilate, may be one day they will decimate, eliminate or terminate your immigration status and send you straight home, whereever heaven that you came from!
Germany has seen many immigrants (especially less educated and most conservative) not responding to their investments.
(investment = time and money) Very less return on investments.
Germans gave their hands to help refugees, less qualified immigrants and now those people are holding german-passports and want to cut legs of Germans to create their kingdom here. Especially muslims are fighting for rights. which rights - don't know.
Good to see many ministers are having same thoughts about those immigrants who are here since years and can't properly make their next generation like Germans. If flows remains same, germany won't keep developing in the same way which is developing since years.
Germans can come closer to immigrants but for that you have to come closer atkeast a step. Adopt their language, their way of living, way of celebrating festivals-events, way of working etc.
If immigrants stay conservative, Germany won't be profitable even after making life of immigrants better.
Most of violence I've seen in Paris were I lived 8 years was coming from black and arab people. It was not a question of religion, or a question of poverty, or not only, it was simply a question of perception of the relationship between people and particularly between men and women that is completely opposite to our values here in Europe.
They are not all aggressive and macho, and not always at the same level, most aggressive behaviors I witnessed were not crossing the borders of the law, but they were enough disturbing to make me try to avoid those people as much as possible, and wish that they were less of them in my country.
The more the people were educated, or at least intelligent, and the less I could witness such disturbing behaviors. So that is definitely not a question of "race", but a question of culture.
I moved here with my German wife in August of 2007 at the time my son was 2 years old, he was born in the US but spoke fairly good German at the time. He turned 3 in October 2007 and in January 2008 we put him in Kindergarten. By the end of 2008 his German was on par with his age group. This year when we put him in 1st grade there was something on the first day of school that every parent in my son's class noticed... All the kids were immigrants, not a single German child. Be it Turkish, Russian, Italian, Polish, American, etc... all of the students in this class were immigrant children. The school told us parents that it has nothing to do with their status as immigrants, but rather, their difficulty with the German language. I know most of the kids personally, having seen them in my son's Kindergarten for the past two years, having gone "Laterne laufen," and doing other various activities with them and their parents. None of them have difficulty with the language, on the contrary, some of the "real German" parents didn't even know, until they were told, that these kids were immigrants (except the Turkish, but that's due to skin color and not language difficulty) Also, come on, they think the kids have a language deficiency, so instead of being able to interact with real German kids, they are left to interact with other kids with language deficiencies. Way to help them learn the language! So these kids are excluded from integrating at an early age, the parents are excluded from rubbing shoulders with German parents, and Germans are left wondering why immigrants cannot integrate into German culture.
I don't get your example, to be honest.
If Germans are surprised, because there are children who speak the language so well, it is not a bad thing. You can be surprised in a positive way.
Do those German parents forbid their children to play with other children?
There is nothing that requires one to respect people who have different views, especially when those views are simply wrong. The islamofacists would have any non-muslim dead yesterday of they had the ability to do so. I do not have to respect this culture of death any more than I have to respect the view of a flat-earther or someone who denies that gravity exists.The soone the world gets past this type of mentality that all view points are valid the sooner we can get rid of these murdering criminals and get on with life.
I sometimes wish we could put out the Fire......
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