February 9, 2012
Published: 31 Aug 10 11:17 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/opinion/20100831-29507.html
Inflammatory comments on Muslims and race by Bundesbank board member Thilo Sarrazin have caused widespread outrage in Germany. Newspapers in The Local’s media roundup on Tuesday explore the repercussions.
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The real question is: How much intolerance are we willing to endure in the name of tolerance? As in the American novel "Up Dog Street," we may ultimately find that in our efforts at political correctness and tolerance, we unwittingly facilitate the birth and entrencment of an intolerant alien ideology that eventually spells the doom of all freedoms we hold dear. In essence, we arming our executioners by confusing tolerance with appeasement.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,714534,00.html
we can see how many people immigrate to germany, and how many leave germany. and yes, the highest immigrants nowadays are from Bulgaria and Romania.
and yes, recently, German statistic office has issued the comprehensive study, underlining that the women from the second and third generation of women immigrants have no higher birth rate than germans, meaning, populiation shrinking will occur anyway, and as in spiegel clearly write, over population of turks and arabs will never happen.
just to refresh: http://www.thelocal.de/society/20100811-29073.html
funny funny funny
oh, and by "disinheritance" i assume you meant "disenfranchisement". Regarding the Sharia courts in the UK, they operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act as Jewish Beth Din courts, resolving civil cases ranging from divorce to business disputes as alternative arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that BOTH parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.
The Beth Din courts have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, but the Jews haven't yet taken over Britain....unless...wait...oh my God!!!
I have not entirely read what he said/wrote (due to the language barrier i must confess), but what I've read about it is that he painted all Muslims with the same brush. I have been in Germany for approx 2 years and can speak somewhat good German. I am also a Masters degree holder and i have many German friends as well (the bit with the integration thing). I've never thrown trash around Berlin nor ridden the s-bahn/u-bahn without a ticket. What i want to say is that I've done quite much to integrate, have never broken the law or anything which a native German might not like.
But since I praise a God or accept a prophet which Mr. Sarrazin does not, all my good deeds have been nullified. At least for him. What I've heard he says is that Muslims are incompatible with the German culture and are destroying the country. Apart from cleaning rooms and making coffee for Germans, I havent stolen any other job from the economy, nor am i taking any money from the Government to help with my housing, food, clothing, yet i pay a significant amount of my earnings to do this for a good number of Germans. Not that i am complaining... I'm proud that I could contribute to the economy by paying taxes which help this beautiful country become more beautiful. But the point is .. I'm a Muslim... tell me what I did wrong that pissed Sarrazin off SO much that he declared me invalid for this country?
I agree that there is a significant number of Muslims in Germany who have not played a constructive role in society here..but are they the 100% of Muslims?
thanks for the link to the Reiner Klingholz piece. it would make a good start for a reasoned discussion about the future of Germany and the role of immigration.
@Jibzy
i am an immigrant to Germany like you, gainfully employed and happy to be here. I must confess though, i have occasionally been a Schwarzfahrer! I also accept the high taxes as I believe in the social safety net they provide for those of my fellows who have not been as lucky as i have been.
Little German flag, big Turkish flag...very symbolic.
So........ he has some right .. but that because of Germany's own STUPID policies ... they filter out the Intelligent ... and only allow the stupid ones to enter the country .. AND LIVE ON THE SOCIAL WELFARE of others ................ change your POLICIES .............
"I MAY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID....BUT I WILL DEFEND, TO THE DEATH, YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT!" - VOLTAIRE.
Freedom of speech and expression should be one of the most precious and fundamental rights in Germany today! For if we are to dismiss people, based on the free expression of ideas and opinions, even unpopular ones, how can we claim to have
progressed since the days of Adolph Hitler? In so doing we will end up in a regimented and oppressive state...where EVEREYONE has to think long and hard before expressing ANY opinion...where people have to be looking over their shoulders and second-guessing themselves...where they have to be fearful less, in expressing even a seemingly innocent opinion, they may inadvertently offend someone...Is this REALLY the direction in which modern German society wants to move?
LET THERE BE FREEDOM OF SPEECH!....and freedom to ridicule and to contradict stupid, inappropriate, and/or incorrect statements!
If freedom of speech is surrendered in the name of "Political Correctness"...what other freedoms will Germans eventually be required to surrender? ? ?
good comment.... this First Amendment must absolutely be respected and protected....the First Amendment protects our right to freely excercise our religion, to freely speak and publish, to peacefully assemble, and to petition our government for a redress of grievances.
The skilled and smart ones have no need to immigrate. They are happy to stay at home.
@mannheim316
That was my initial thought too!
Upon reading the article, the author's meaning became clearer. It is the newspapers that are outraged. No statistics about any sort of reliable poll of the public have been presented here, nor even transparently elsewhere. The official organs that speak to (sorry, "for") civil society, are outraged, and, eo ipso, "Germans" are outraged.
I can't think of a clearer demonstration of the fundamental problems facing this government, and by this I don't mean Merkel's coalition, I mean the entire establishment that rules (not governs) the German state. The "Germans" are inchoate, disorganized, and atomized. When you want to know their opinion, then ask the people who have the natural right to give the German people their opinion; the great and the good, the political parties, and the papers. When the Germans as a people start to get ornery and it appears that they may wish to have and even, God forbid, express their own independent opinions, then they must be smacked down and made to obey. World War Two usually does the trick. This is convenient for all the elites.
Unfortunately for said elites, this strategy is working less and less effectively. The war is drawing ever further into the gloom of distant history. Worse yet, the younger generation of Germans have a much wider picture of the world than their forebears did, they often speak foreign languages, and have even, perhaps, spent some time abroad. It is becoming more and more and more obvious to everyone that Germany is not a normal country.
As long as ?"democracy?" in Germany consists of government by a set of parties who discourage public participation in politics, provide no fundamental difference between themselves in crucial matters of public policy, and collude with non-state elements of cultural production in order to maintain this order of things, Germany will never be normal, nor will it truly be democratic.
Maybe it's time for people like Thilo Sarrazin and papers like Bild to speak for the people, even if it shows 25% of the people do not follow like sheep.
He can go out into the streets for Berlin and do his talking or catch-on with some group that wants to sponsor him. Perhaps he will find millions of followers, perhaps he won't.
There is nothing wrong with writing in a blog that Sarrazin is doing either good or evil, though. That is certainly protected speech.