February 9, 2012
Published: 19 Aug 10 14:40 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/opinion/20100819-29273.html
Google Street View is still harmless, says German consumer protection expert Falk Lüke, but that doesn’t mean the current discussion surrounding it is unnecessary. Instead, we should be focused on creating international rules for online privacy.
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I don't like jets flying over my house from Tegel...shall we shut down the airport?
I don't like the cars driving past my house after 22:00....shall we close down the street?
I don't like German Consumer Agencies that don't truly protect anyone except German corporations...........
Monkey, I have no problem with your idea of "going slow" except that no one has been able to identify a single valid or reasonable question that hasn't been answered.
What can someone see?
They can see a house or building or field or whatever, just the same as if they bothered to drive by. They could, assuming they were there, take the same picture. In fact, they might be able to take a more invasive picture, because they could hold their camera high, right next to the fence or hedge, and see more than the camera in the middle of the street can see!
Whatever the camera photographs is/was being done in public view, so obviously any claim that this was private activity is completely without foundation. If you parked on the street, your car and license plate is displayed in plain view to anyone and everyone who happens by. There is no expectation of privacy, nor could there be one. German courts have ruled upon this many time, as have the courts in other lands.
What danger lurks in these pictures? What could be seen that would somehow compromise your privacy? If you were "doing that" within public view, you clearly had given up any claim to privacy.
Questions? Sure. They should be asked. But the answers are obvious, and the whole thing has become some giant game of hysteria that has no foundation in fact.
wa
Seriously, I'm still waiting to hear a valid reason to make this such an issue.
wa
What is the point of your question? If the view of the "backyard" is open to the public from a public vantage point, then how can you oppose it? Do you suggest everyone turns away when passing every private property on a public street? What is the logic of your question?
@MonkeyMania, it's pretty easy to know the pro's and con's of Streetview. It takes low resolution photos of streets from public places, no different to any other photo that can and has been taken in which you never probably complained about before. Would you prefer a complete ban on ALL photography in public places? If Streetview is banned, this would be the only logical next step. Are you serious about missile launches based on Streetview? Do you really think foreign powers are going to look at private homes on Streetview to choose which houses to launch missiles at?
@the article in general. It does sort of start off in a logical way, but then falls flat. Falk Lüke first states that too many absurd complaints about Streetview clouds over the good ones, and then his good ones that are presented are also absurd in many ways. Take the height of the streetview photos, claiming that they are so different than walking down the street because they are higher. Yes, true for walking, but he completely forgets that many people, a great deal, take buses which are on about the same level as these camera's, not to mention places like Berlin which have double decker buses and are at an even higher level, or trucks.
Then he comments on the obscuring faces argument. Has he actually wondered what the point of obscuring faces actually does? Does he also propose all faces are obscured in all online photos? What about Flickr? And those faces are often in so much higher detail and quality than Streetview could provide.
Sorry, but your objections are just as absurd as all the rest. Unless you want ALL photos on EVERY webpage blurred or blocked, then stop whining about Streetview.
As`far as banning FaceBook - then ban Twitter and all of the other social networking sites. We might as well just try to ban the Internet all together.
Think about the contries whose paranoia leads them to restrict Internet access - China, Cuba, Iran...do you really want to add Germany to that list?
Which scenario is likely to lead to the better society: (a) one where all information is 'secret', i.e. a priviledged few have control over everything; or, (b) one where all information is public and everybody must live with the fact that there is no private data. Two extremes, I agree, but of the two the second sounds far better to me than the first. If we are going to err, let it be on the no 'power through control of knowledge' side.
Amateurs
What is going on in that picture, and was that taken with a google camera? If so, did the driver stop, or at least call a paramedic? Or are those camera vans unmanned like the soul of google?
http://gawker.com/5611574/child-plays-dead-on-google-street-view-horrifies-a-nation
Can I just settle the argumanet once and for all?
The fact is that any one of us can go down any one of the public highways these photos are taken from, and freely take a duplicate of the photo ourself.
That this reaction against SV is coming from a country where people are required to carry ID cards and register in every city they move to is hilarious.
More seriously, full body scanners were ushered in the back door on the flimsiest of premises, and the reaction of the public seemed mild in contrast to this.
I can't wait until Hamburg has it! When I visit my family in England I'll be able to give them a real virtual tour!
Upon reading up on this topic further, I understand that someone was quite upset that Google Street View captured him leaving an adult bookstore. I would imagine that he/she was not so upset that they were caught purchasing pornagraphy, but that they were caught not using the internet or better google to find it.
So, point one, is it the dirty foreigners that you have problems with?
Second point, so no corporation has the right to store public information?
Please explain in further detail.
And what prevents people from making there own 'Google Earth' images? Sure it would take some time, but in some of these small towns you could literally walk down the street with your digital camera and take pictures from house to house then upload it onto Google.
The other thing to consider: Next time you're having a party and no one shows up because Münchenerstraße unexpectedly becomes Theriesenstraße, blame it on your all-important privacy.
Sure people can make photos for themselves, but as soon as they put them on the interwebz and wanna make money with pictures of my property, I will develop a big ****ing problem with that.
Yes hkypuckzulutlputtl, I wonder every time how people can find streets and house numbers in our dark times without the help of our savior Google, Hallelujah.
I'll be receiving royalty checks everytime someone orders it from Netflix (Picture middle age man rolling around on bed with paper currency, ala "Indecent Proposal's" Demi Moore).
Anybody read the latest report ExpatExplorer conducted by HSBC with regard to German people?
All expatriate around the world has vote higher ranking the "rude and arrogant" without any reason for German people, the expat told, the German so rude even they just asking for help or a simple question/direction.
IMHO,
Google Street is good for someone who is first timer and familiar about that place and that is nothing to worried unless we are doing something bad..