February 9, 2012
Published: 28 Jan 10 11:15 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/opinion/20100128-24877.html
Germany’s tepid proposals for a conference on the future of Afghanistan in London on Thursday are not enough to ensure peace and stability, argues Dr. Henning Riecke from the German Council on Foreign Relations.
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If you are right then this is trully sad.
I've got to believe there are some German patriots who see this historic opportunity. On these opinion pages someone wrote recently "this is the first time in a 100 hundred years the German army was on the right side." It is right to focus on training police and the the PRT's efforts, the reality is that there is a vibrant a capable enemy who despises the West -- all of us.
It appears Europeans have already given up free speech and can't even publish "creative" cartoons about how a great religion has been distorted by a few fanatics, who see no difference in the bombing of New York and Madrid and would love to do the same to Paris, London and Berlin.
"I've got to believe there are some German patriots who see this historic opportunity"
-->there are! like me for example!!!. ;-)
"distorted by a few fanatics, who see no difference in the bombing of New York and Madrid and would love to do the same to Paris, London and Berlin."
-->yep, once again they already did. (berlin not yet) Londonistan=already done, Paris=yep, car-burnings ringing any bells...?
simply didnt. many germans lost their liberty and lives because of this.
my grandson who is in afghanistan with the british army says that the german soldiers are still staying in at night , holding no new ground and losing respect from othe nations. come on guys your soldiers are being seen as softies
Just saying it hasn't been done before or that others have failed is no reason not to try. If anyone thinks the Americans will allow a movement that allowed Al Quaeda to train freely and attack it's territory to live healthily -- you are dreaming. The Americans will never leave the hardcore Taliban or Al Quaeda alone -- Never Ever!!!
Lastly, in 1945 many thought democracy would never take root in Germany. "The Germans are too prone to obey authority" and democracy in not in their blood/culture they said. We know how that story ended, bless the Marshall Plan and are very proud of the results.
Yes there are many cultural differences between a Western European culture and a Cental Asian one but the yearning to for opporunity and free expression lives within all humans.
Let's support the London conference and hope it's results yield a blue print for a true future for Afghanistan.
You wrote: "...the yearning to for opporunity and free expression lives within all humans."
With all due respect, that is not the case with the Taliban or other Islamic fundamentalists. In point of fact, it is their stated intention to kill all who do not embrace their particular form of religious fanaticism, and it is quite evident that they are serious. Freedom of expression does not exist in their universe.
As to al Qaeda, please remember that al Qaeda was a creation of Bin Laden with American financing and arming during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. At the time it served American purposes. Now it is the avowed enemy of all things that (presumably) you and I believe in. And it is ubiquitous. It knows no geographical borders. It has declared war on all of us who do not share its fanatical beliefs.
Appeasement failed in 1939. It will certainly fail again, no matter how lofty our intentions or noble our ideals. It is a matter of life and death for everyone involved. It cannot be bartered, particularly with a broker as corrupt as Karzai.
You may want to check out a video that runs on YouTube.
I was not allowed to give you the link, but you can go to YT and type into the search: "Bill Moyers Journal/Greg Mortenson" Then pick the one that has the time of "31:08"
If you haven't heard of Greg, he has lived among the Afghans for many years and has been recognized as "the" authority on Afghanistan and Pakistan, even by our military brass. He has written a book "Three cups of tea" that is an absolute must to read. This interview will show how corrupt the Afghan government is, but it will also tell you that Afghanistan has never lost any of the many wars they have had. He also has some very interesting points to make about the Taliban.
Happy reading
Bernie
@ Prufrock 2010 _ Really do know the all present facts you cite. Yes, they are true. Quick note on nations/cultures who produced great ideas , literature, technology etc. in the past and now are but a shadow of their former selves. We all know examples but let's look at the ancient monuments etc. like the stature of Budha the Taliban blew up. The reflect a culture with ideas, creativity sophistication. One of the greatest spiritual masters of all time, Rumi, hailed from Afghanistan. How does it happen that the children fall so far from the elegance of the parents? We can discuss why for days but the point is the potential is there. Sometimes outsiders are chosen to assist a nation (Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo,) in the advancement of our earth.
Agree the Taliban is a fanatical, senseless excuse of a movement that is locked in timewarp. That's why I say that those of them who want to continue their ways will find their way to grave.
@bernie: buddy, they haven't lost any wars cuz the combat terrain ranges from bad to shitty!!!
I'd like to think that NATO central command or JSOC/SOCOM has better toys than Alexander!!!!! ;-)
@ Bernie1927_ True, NATO wants to get the "hell" out of there, especially the Americans. But they will never allow a fanatical Taliban government to take root there again. It may take 5 years for the Central government to get strong enough. If the allies want to pay for that... fine.
And if British had in the 1800's had the capabilities SOCOM(and NATO) has there now, the Sun might still be shining on the Empire.
It helps Germany's economy to be thought of asone of the allies and friend of Israel. The alternatives of being on the side that is against Freedom would be another disaster. If the Allies win in Afganistan Germany regret not being there on stage.
Get 'er done!
Great religion? Pleaseee.....enough of the politically correct dogma. MO-and his preachings from the beginning were used to oppress and kill any who stood in their way. If you will look at history books, they will show Saudi Arabia had a vibrant Jewish and Christian Community more than 600 years before Islam.
As for point defense, it is the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_GMG
It is utterly depressing to me that now Germany is starting to take a more active and larger role. This whole adevnture was doomed from the start, many nations have failed in this part of the world to impose their own social order, and this latest attempt is the worst sort of neo-colonialism and murder. Why can we just not accept that not every society wants to be forced to copy our own fake civilization, with all its manifest problems and silliness.
I urge you all, think again, and do not get in any deeper. The UK has lost hundreds of young men and thousands have had life ruining injuries, for what, just adding more suffering and destruction to a poor unfortunate country still reeling from decades of endless war initiated by foreigners. What have we done so far? Imposed a gangster with no real support from the public, and trashed most of the infra structure, whilst wasting billions of dollars and beggaring our own economies. Re-think now before it is too late.
@scargill was right
I doubt the Germans on the Eastern Front were getting a warm rest at night in some building.