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Germany's new hatred

Published: 10 Jul 09 11:53 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/opinion/20090710-20509.html

A Muslim woman is stabbed to death in a Dresden courtroom and nobody seems to care. Der Tagesspiegel's Andrea Dernbach comments on Germany’s problematic relationship to Islam.

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The tragic events in Dresden last week have left several unanswered questions: How can a defendant stab a witness 18 times in a courtroom without anyone stopping him? How can the only person apparently able to intervene – her husband – end up seriously injured? And how is it that the police officer coming to the scene ends up shooting directly at the Egyptian husband and not the attacker?

But there’s possibly already answers to two important questions: Why does the death of a woman wearing a headscarf – who wasn’t the victim of a so-called “honour killing” – spark so little interest in Germany? And why did the country’s politicians merely shrug their shoulders for an entire week after the heinous deed?

Could it be that this death – which is now a murder investigation – did not fit the preconceived notions most Germans have of Muslims?

A young Muslim woman, an educated and employed pharmacist, refuses to accept outrageous insults such as “slut,” Islamist,” and “terrorist” from a xenophobic man and decides to defend herself in a court of law. After suing her tormentor he is convicted, but at a retrial he kills her.

Maybe most people simply chose to ignore this incident because it counters too many of our popular dogmas. For example, that education is the key to integration. In this case, a well-educated young woman, married to a man working at the esteemed Max Planck Institute, died. Who knows, perhaps that enraged the unemployed racist murderer even more?

Or what about the claim that Islam and Western society simply don’t fit? Marwa al-Sherbini tried to defend herself not only in an extremely rational and civil way, but chose to do it in an extremely German fashion: instead of screaming back at the man, she decided to sue him in court.

Another truth also hurts: the frequent German association that “Islam” means “Islamist” and “terrorist” only because someone has darker skin or wears a headscarf. Those are sentiments not held exclusively by extremists, even if the murderer apparently sympathised with the far-right NPD party.

Ever since Germany joined the war on terror after September 11, 2001 by profiling anyone appearing to be a devout Muslim with a beard or headscarf, it’s not only extremists linking Islam directly with terrorism.

Anti-Semitism against Jews is at last widely condemned in Germany, but now hatred of Islam is on the verge of becoming an acceptable form of racism. Fortunately the German Jewish Council has long made a point of trying to stem the rising tide.

But Chancellor Angela Merkel has remained silent and Geert Mackenroth, Saxony’s justice minister, apparently only wants to use the incident to push for closed courtrooms in the state – even though public access to trials is one of the most important pillars of a modern legal system.

Mackenroth, the former head of the German Association of Judges, once tried to justify police torture in Frankfurt. Perhaps proponents of the West’s liberal legal traditions have as much to fear from German justice ministers as they do from Islamic law dictated by sharia.

This commentary was published with the kind permission of Berlin newspaper Der Tagesspiegel, where it originally appeared in German. Translation by The Local.

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13:29 July 10, 2009 by William Thirteen
i think Frau Dernbach is on to something, as this tragic event doesn't fit into widely held cliches regarding women and Muslim immigrants. I suspect the murderer was as disturbed by his victim's gender as much as by her religion. And how can someone get a knife into a courtroom? Had the assailant been an Egyptian man this story would have been splashed across the headlines and the chattering classes would be wringing their hands over issues of integration and religious values...
15:47 July 10, 2009 by finanzdoktor
Several questions come to mind. First, as stated above, how did the defendant get a weapon into the courtroom? The victim was stabbed 18 times before her attacker was stopped. What were the bailiffs doing all this time? Why did her husband have to incur such serious injuries coming to her defense? Why did it take a week or more for the Deutsche burgers and their government representatives to denounce it? And lastly, why are there so few comments to this article? Doesn't anyone care any more?
16:52 July 10, 2009 by William Thirteen
well, to be fair, there are 105 comments on the original piece at the Tagesspiegel...
16:53 July 10, 2009 by blondoner
As an expat, I am enraged every time reading about this story, I believe most sensible people would be as well. This is such a horrific crime that deserved headlines on all newspapers and news channels, so journalists could fire those serious & soul-seraching questions to politicians and law-enforcement agents, as other co-commentators pointed out. The problem I see so far is that ordinary German people do not get to hear about this horrific story at all (hence few government representatives responded), because this story had so far been avoided by most mainstream Germany-based news organisations (e.g. ARD, ZDF, DLF, FAZ, Bild, TAZ, etc.). If ordinalry people get to know about this, they would care and surely be as enraged as we do. The only new channels that headlined this story are foreign ones, like BBC, CNN, or weekly media like Spiegel. So, the real question is: why all these coordinated editorial self-censorship (or just apathy) on the side of German mainstream news media?
17:22 July 10, 2009 by Furor Teutonicus
XXX by finanzdoktor

And lastly, why are there so few comments to this article? Doesn't anyone care any more? XXX

No.

And why should we?

The courts send us the message that it is unimportant by giving "three months on bail" sentences when they ARE caught.

So why should WE see it as important?

As to whether the victim is Egyptian, German, Inuit or bloody Martian, it makes no difference. The courts don't give a toss and label any one that does as "Rechtsextrem".
17:56 July 10, 2009 by michael4096
"As to whether the victim is Egyptian, German, Inuit or bloody Martian, it makes no difference."

Perfectly correct.

The subject of the girl's murder is ignored by ordinary volk because it is a process failure and not an crime against muslims. Nobody, whatever sex or religion, is killed in a courtroom. The process failed but it will be fixed - that is why we pay taxes.

If you think this is different to the way you were brought up then you can remind yourself why you are living in a different country.
18:09 July 10, 2009 by jmjdk
Quote from the article

"But Chancellor Angela Merkel has remained silent and Geert Mackenroth, Saxony?s justice minister, apparently only wants to use the incident to push for closed courtrooms in the state ? even though public access to trials is one of the most important pillars of a modern legal system." The politician/assh**e does not get it, it was not someone viewing the proceedings, it was the defendant that killed this lady. This is good reason to close off the proceedings to the public.

I think Frau Dernbach has some very good points that need to acted upon in order to stem the tide of indifference on the part of Germany in these matters. The record to date is very mixed.
18:22 July 10, 2009 by Chrisimo
i think Frau Dernbach is on to something, as this tragic event doesn't fit into widely held cliches regarding women and Muslim immigrants.
Which cliches do you mean?
18:29 July 10, 2009 by michael4096
"The politician/assh**e does not get it, it was not someone viewing the proceedings, it was the defendant that killed this lady."

Are you suggesting that all defendants suspected of violence are restrained (after all, we are innocent until proven guilty) or only those involving crimes with muslim prosecution witnesses?
18:54 July 10, 2009 by nimblehuman
This crime would not have been possible without the collusion of everyone present in the courtroom. Only completely uncaring, bigoted people could sit back and watch a pregnant woman be stabbed IN A COURT OF LAW without intervening.

The fact that the responding officer shot the victim's husband instead of the attacker shows that they too agreed with the bigoted views of the attacker.

You people tried vilifying an entire religious group two generations ago, and look where it got your country. Indifference in the face of murderous hatred is as good as hatred itself.
19:01 July 10, 2009 by Chrisimo
You do know that this is mainly a forum for expats living in Germany (i.e. foreigners), right? And, by the way, if you only came here because the victim was a Muslim or foreigner, you are pretty bigoted/racist yourself.
19:17 July 10, 2009 by Conquistador
This crime would not have been possible without the collusion of everyone present in the courtroom. Only completely uncaring, bigoted people could sit back and watch a pregnant woman be stabbed IN A COURT OF LAW without intervening.

The fact that the responding officer shot the victim's husband instead of the attacker shows that they too agreed with the bigoted views of the attacker.

You people tried vilifying an entire religious group two generations ago, and look where it got your country. Indifference in the face of murderous hatred is as good as hatred itself.
You have made a lot of assumptions without having been there. BTW, the attacker was subdued by onlookers and the police officer who shot the husband was in another room when the attack began. However, your worst error is attempting to vilify todays's Germany as akin to the Third Reich.

BTW, on the topic of vilifying an entire religious group, Holocuast denial is widespread in Egypt and an infamous anti-Jewish forgery is a best seller there.
19:26 July 10, 2009 by blondoner
nimblehuman is right. By the way, this is much more than just the court's process failure as quoted above. Germany as a country needs to have some soul-searching on this . . Why would so many ordinary people inside the courtroom just sat there and watched, while the killing going on. Would those on-lookers still have the same reaction / apathy if the situation reverses (i.e. if the victim is a blonde-hair German pregnant woman or a child, while the attacker is an Egyptian man)?
19:34 July 10, 2009 by Chrisimo
I don't get it. All these racists come here to complain about racism. What's the use?
21:54 July 10, 2009 by jamesvik
Maybe massive muslim immigration into a country built on Christian values is not such a good idea. Europe needs to stop importing conflict.
21:54 July 10, 2009 by michael4096
"I don't get it. All these racists come here to complain about racism. What's the use?"

Unfortunately, the original article, while raising legitimate questions, is really quite inflamatory. Retorically, this is fine in a world where people can discuss things sensibly - but this subject and sense don't sit together well for some others.

The sad thing is that unnecessary heat caused by one idiot with a knife and those suggesting that there is more to it may eventually lead to US-style security on all public buildings in Germany just to prove...

...well to prove something anyway.

"Could it be that this death – which is now a murder investigation – did not fit the preconceived notions most Germans have of Muslims?"

Dear author - from 10+ years in Germany, I would suggest that the answer to this is 80% NO. For the other 20%, including most German Moslims I know, the answer is equivocal.
23:39 July 10, 2009 by tumpliner
An alternative view to jamesvik. Maybe all religion is bullshit and keeps us at each others throats (or atleast grating on each others nerves). I vote for a legitimate pro-life philosophy as senior to any religion if only because it would be harder to pervert.

As far as this courtroom episode goes, it gives me the idea that if I were living there in Germany, and had the time, I would see if I could look up court cases similar to these so that I could be in the audience so that I could knock the snot out of a freak like this-- or worse if necessary. Yes, I am not an ex-pat but I have considered being one, so that is why I am in the forum. Islam is so down on women, and down on their self-determination, but a movement in the pro-life direction requires self-determination. I hate to see it stepped on, particularly in an area where there is an advance needed. This woman had some courage. Atleast I hope it inspires others.
08:49 July 11, 2009 by Furor Teutonicus
I hope in all this, it is not forgotten that the ATTACKER is not German either.

So we are discussing a colapse of the security system in the court, and then a PURELY "Immigrant problem". The actual attack has as much to do with Germany as the price of B.M.Ws in Tokyo.
13:26 July 11, 2009 by abeeroeng
"18 times stabbed" !! were the guards & policemen asleep or something? Were people responsible for securety off duty that day or is it a custom to be "chilled out " and "relaxed" while on duty since the quality of people who appear before a judge in a german court is really always civilized and well behaved so it would be very shocking to witness such a thing let alone do something about it??! i mean criminals & outlaws appear in courts all the time People! what do you expect!! so why didn't anyone move? is it so easy to go into a courtroom without being searched? what a peice of happy news for all criminals all over the world. you can just take your revenge on the person suing you so easily!!
14:59 July 11, 2009 by jame
Why are so many people surprised that this happened in a country where the most evil dictator on earth slaughtered millions of Jewish, Polish and other nationals of men, women and children? It is fair to say that not ALL Germans have an innate hatred towards foreigners but in a country that was dictated to for so long, I'm not shocked that this happened. What does shock me is the reaction (or non) reaction of the members of the courtroom and security. I'm now hearing that the man who committed this ungodly and terrible act is being held over an "incident" they're not even calling it murder, it's disgusting and I'm outraged. Germany have come a long way since the days of their dictator - but they have to do more in the eyes of the world to protect foreign nationals living in their country, the world will not tolerate acts of murder anymore and we will all unite together and fight for justice. He should be hung, drawn and quartered.

May Marwa al-Sherbini rest in peace.
16:47 July 11, 2009 by ridac
Well, this is very interesting for many reasons. It happens in a country that is proud of its achievements in areas like:

1) Anti-racism, actually I think that Police simply shoot the victim husband because he fits their standards for typical attackers, the actual attacker is white skin with blue eyes (Western Angle).

2) Free-Media, lol we barely heard of this accident anywhere (maybe two or three lines somewhere), if the Egyptian guy is the attacker we can imagine how the first pages of major Newspapers will look like for weeks.

3) Multi-cultural: maybe they mean by this that they accept socially and politically Austrians, French, Italian …etc. But Asian, Africans and South Americans are 3rd World culture which does not fit in this society.
20:56 July 11, 2009 by ibth123
I don't believe it had anything to do with her religion but everything with a crazy guy that couldn't take that a woman ask him to get off a swing. I don't even know why she did it? Than gone to court at that? I would have let him sit and left myself. At least she would be alive today.
21:07 July 11, 2009 by Alfie Doolittle
"Dear author - from 10+ years in Germany, I would suggest that the answer to this is 80% NO. For the other 20%, including most German Moslims I know, the answer is equivocal."

What is your point? That people see things in the light of their own history? Of course! If the attacker had been a Muslim killing a Jew or a Christian, do you think the 80 percent would have seen this as more than just a murder by a mad man taking advantage of bad security?

That is the point: what bothers me about the incident is that the media and the politicians do not treat it the same way they would if the victim had been a Jewish pregnant young woman killed by a Muslim, because the correctly gauge the general publics sentiments. Had the victim been an Israeli, they would have come out in droves in support of donating to Israel a sixth Dolphin class Submarine to carry a few dozen more of Israel's non-exitent nukes around the world.
21:36 July 11, 2009 by Dizz
Curious. The related article "Muslims pray for murdered Egyptian woman" has had its comments section removed. Is THE LOCAL filtering?
21:47 July 11, 2009 by Nighttiger
Migrants are conspicuously always held themselves back in Germany, this time the Russia- German of the Egypt citizin Marva killed, the last week a German-Turk of one US citizens engulfed!

We German are all peaceful people in Germany as the football world championship in 2006 has proved !
23:04 July 11, 2009 by meliwa
Is it a hatred Crime? Yes its and its warning Bell with what they are calling it Islamphopia or fear of anything that has to do with Islam, and the Media has to justify what they tell
12:32 July 12, 2009 by abeeroeng
I totally agree with what Dizz said here. I myself checked the article for two days and compared it with other articles,but it's the only one that had its comments parts removed. coincidence?!!!
18:48 July 12, 2009 by generous
What happened inside the court room and the way it happened can be deplored as much as one possibly can barring aside creed and colour or origin. Its a shame on the part of all those who were given the duty to maintain law and order inside the court.. How come that weapon was taken in by the murderer? Don't you have scanning equipment on the entry? Why not? A country very democratic and its citizens very law abiding and have pride in them. Why a killing took place. Whether Chancellor intervenes immediately or not is not the point. If Courts are not safe where verdicts are given why to have such system. It does need looking into it and surely German government will be looking into it to improve. Its a lesson for Germany Courts and surely they will work on it.
04:02 July 13, 2009 by moorekwesi
please stop worrying Germany,if u don't like it here go home/i'm a foreigner n i enjoy being here.Danke!!
04:33 July 13, 2009 by maidanac
This is a shame. It is a shame to the justice system and it is a shame for germany and it is a shame for humanity.

And to answer some stupid comment: you don't need to be a german citizen nor to reside in Germany not even to live in Germany to condem this kind of situations! If one sees something wrong then one has to stand up for what is right and to push for things to be changed! And what is home? Home is where you develop your social life and where one feel it's home, not the place where one was born, grew up or whatever. Understood moorekwesi? Thanks.

I really hope people will start start learning soon that the Earth is our planet and we are all humans. I really hope people will start thinking a little bit and learning to be a global citizen.
10:35 July 13, 2009 by chimpansi
Its a clear hate crime. Its a shame that police & people didnt care much about this. History repeats I guess!!
16:34 July 13, 2009 by ajh
One very important question was missed in this article. Why was this not reported widely in the media when it happened?
02:18 July 14, 2009 by John Beck
I have been to Germany and to Dresden in particular. As an American with a light dark skin, Germans would stare at me on the street as if I had a plague. Yet, once they know that I am American from New York and that I am not there to work as a bus boy they literally try to kiss my ass. I am disgusted with what Germany has come to. It's a shame that the culture that gave Hegel and Kant would lower itself to these low standards. Even the Taliban that you claim to be in humane do not stub people 18 times just because they are Christian. Germany needs to look into the discrimination that the former (East Germany) is subjected to and which may have caused this hatred before trying to tell countries like Iran how to treat their people. Maybe we should have never gotten involved in WWII, who knows, that crazy short dude would have turned out to be a decent guy after all.
17:38 July 14, 2009 by Alfie Doolittle
@ moorekwesi

So in your world view people have a "home" attached to their idenity and no matter where they go later on they can't remove that "Home" label. How does it feel to have so much in common with the stabber!

As an American with olive skin I have been to Denmark, Germany, Austria and Russia where I lived for about two years. The constant stares I got walking down the street with my blonde blue-eyed wife holding my hand made me feel creepy. We had none of that in Prauge, Budapest or anywhere in Italy where we had long stays.

It is important to ask why the media hasn't tried to pick up this story as a hate crime and run with it, because we know they would if the stabber were a Turkish man attacking a white often rude and drunk Dutch filmmaker who had a bone to pick with Islam.
15:37 July 16, 2009 by Bayern Munich7
Let's all drink a Beer
19:13 July 16, 2009 by again
John Beck,Alfie Doolittle:-> I totally follow you.

Bayern Munich7 :"Let's all drink a Beer "

Off course we will drink beer...that's how people in this country wash down their guilt ...........I think deep down inside every german is just dying to wipe all the races and claim their beloved 'reich' ............

I really feel their pain lol.
17:10 July 17, 2009 by My Justice
The article questions the German police: "How can a defendant stab a witness 18 times in a courtroom without anyone stopping him? How can the only person apparently able to intervene – her husband – end up seriously injured? And how is it that the police officer coming to the scene ends up shooting directly at the Egyptian husband and not the attacker?"

And I would like to pause two questions to the German government: 1. How do you instruct your police force to shoot the wrong person? And why do you appease your police force for shooting inocent people?

2. Is it not also as criminal to treat a "murder" case as a manslaughter?

This is a clear case of state terrorism and yet another underground masonic white wash, that will add more fuel to an existing Anti-Islamic racial fire!!
01:13 July 18, 2009 by Dick Tracy
This is a simple case of racism and hatred. Basically the order given to the police is: If minority (especially MUSLIM) then shoot first and ask questions later. As far as they are concerned, a MUSLIM life is worthless because it came from a RACE other than white. Hegel and kant founded RACISM in Germany and this is just a continuation of their theories and doctrines. Let's face it, Germany is a racist culture.
06:45 July 19, 2009 by rysen24
Ouuufff!! @Dick Tracy, I'll answer by something equally biaised: when a Allah-exalted fool blow himself with tens of innocents, where's the "moderate" muslim indignation we so promptly see when, say, a fews caricatures are published in a western paper? Nowhere. So we must conclude that secretely, all Muslims are applauding terrorism. By not answering the plight of an assaulted muslim woman, westerners just adopt your point of view, here. Shooting the Egyptian was just a matter of statistics: normally, it's muslim men who consider normal the fact of beating, acid-attacking and/or maiming their wifes. The police officer had to stop the most likely assaillant... too bad it was the unlikely one, this time.
12:46 July 19, 2009 by abeeroeng
a man who blows himself up in innocent civilian people who has nothing to do with anything is a criminal. full stop. Being a muslim or shouting islamic slogans doesn't mean that this person is really muslim or knows anything about true islam which is against violence of any kind . I wish those who'd debate any idea related to islam or any other religion to be well informed about what he or she is talking about. i mean islam is not what you see in hollywood movies,some unauthenticated TV programmes or political analyses done by someone who never met a muslim face to face in his life. Go to a nearby bookstore and get a book about islam or muslims, a real book written by a real writer who lived or experienced islam, read the Quran and can be quoted from as a real expert even if this writer isn't a muslim at all.
14:17 July 19, 2009 by Dick Tracy
rysen24. Reading your comment just confirmed that you and millions like you in Europe and around the world is the perfect target for propaganda-motivated, hidden-agenda-driven media. Muslims around the world condemns senseless act of violence committed by a minority of criminals that hijacked Islam but unfortunately your biased media do not show you that. The audience in the west is very naive and believe anything that's being fed to them. Yet, how soon you in Germany forget the atrocities that you committed against the Jews and non White throughout history and still committing it in so many different ways and forms. Maybe we don't see concentration camps any more but they are still alive and well in Germany taking mostly mental and psychological forms. I am Jewish and I can never feel safe in Germany no matter what. I always know and feel that the third Reich spirit is live and well...
08:10 July 20, 2009 by Alfie Doolittle
@ Rysen24,

So "normally it's Muslim men beating, acid-attacking their wives"!? Is that a fact or something you picked up in the German media which puts a magnifying glass on Muslim hate crimes? Did you even bother to Google "Domestic Violence" and see what you get? Here in the US, there are between 1.5 to 3 million attacks on women by their intimates each year, and 3 are killed daily by their partners! Does that qualify as normal to you?

Taking your argument farther, even if Muslims were silent to suicide attacks against citizens of powerful nations who occupy their lands, what should we make of the silence of all Germans who witnessed systematic killing of 10 millions of Jews and other innocents in World War II? Many thousands of Iranians held candle light vigils on streets of Tehran after 9/11 deaths; now did you see that on your news or the dancing of Muslims on streets after 9/11? May be Iranians are not Muslims??!
12:21 July 20, 2009 by abeeroeng
As far as mistreating women, some men might use islam as an excuse for that,but I think mistreating women is universal and found everywhere in the world. Why don't you "google" numbers of abused women in germany or any other european country and compare it to that in India or china or any African country!!!I think the numbers would be shocking. The problem in some countries is related to social traditions; it has nothing to do with religion. But even in what is considered "highly-developed" societies, women and child abuse is massive and evident.And what about kids shootings in schools killing teachers & other kids? why doesn't that happen except in places and by people who are not muslims at all?
17:24 July 20, 2009 by Jose Luis
I can fortunately say that I am soon leaving this country, which makes foreigners feel like if we were in a nightmare. The many crazy people walking these streets, makes me sick! I just dont want my child growing up surrounded by hatred!

Auf wiedersehen Deutschland...
15:49 July 21, 2009 by escape
ya John Beck is right, I think in Germany they like to solve at first the problem of other countries... a good example is to compare two similar deaths occurred in Iran and Germany. just see the link http://www.google.de/search?q=marwa+dresden+site:.de&hl=de&start=10&sa=N

which i simply search for the "marwa dresden" in German websites. the result: 62.200

web pages.

and the same case which happened for Iranian girl called Neda in last month protest in Teheran.

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=neda+teheran+site%3A.de&btnG=Suche&meta=

the result : 243.000

Auf wiedersehen Deutschland...
15:57 July 21, 2009 by Showem
Why is any reply to this topic always heading straight into the Trash?
17:10 July 21, 2009 by federale86
The trouble is that she did not want to acculturate to the country in which she lived. If she and other Muslims want to wear hijabs, burkas, niqas, or whatever, then they should remain in their Muslim countries where that is acceptable. If you move to Germany, be prepared to be German. Lederhosen rather than chadors.
03:20 July 23, 2009 by John Beck
Acculturate, by definition is: Adoption of the behavior patterns of the surrounding culture. The operative word here is culture so let§s take another moment to analyze the German culture. This Culture gave us Hegel who provided basis for modern Racism. It also Kant who said that The Negroes of Africa have by nature no feeling. The same culture gave us Hitler who used crematoriums to kill millions of innocent human beings simply because of their faith. The same culture that preaches moral values yet allow 14 year-old girls to be prostitutes in the street of Berlins, allows under age drinking and drug use. What moral values are these? All I see is moral decay. If these are moral values then I will take my chances Acculturating chimpanzees§ world, they are more considerate than the German pig who stabbed an innocent Muslim woman 18 times in front of her son without anyone saying anything. What an Evil culture it is
22:43 July 23, 2009 by lwenger
JohnBeck - I thought the attacker was not a German? I might have missed that part though.

And German culture also gave us Fichte...

Attacking German morals and values is flawed. People make their own choices and decisions. Show me the Shangri-La where the morals and values are perfect (for everyone) and nothing bad happens because I want to move there!

To Eurostan - WHAT? You're not German or white, so you're not racist?! WHAT?! That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard! You can't be serious. Please tell me you're not serious.
02:29 July 24, 2009 by Alfie Doolittle
@Eurostan

Are you trolling!

She deserved punishment because she was wearing a veil! So in a country that insists on all kinds of individual freedom we should punish people who look different! And then the general comment about Muslims in India, coming from a Indian who knows well women were traditionally expected to be burned when their husbands dies and to this day witnesses brutality to mother who gave birth to girl.

People ­ Every society has capacity for extreme cruelty and kindness. A better world is simply the result of people looking past religion and color. If you can§t do it, stop calling others names for it because they are just like you!
02:49 July 24, 2009 by Dick Tracy
Here in the US, there are thousands of Indian women living here and who get to wear their traditional sari and go to city hall, court and wherever they want freely. Should we kick them out because they are not wearing skirts and jeans? Should the expatriate German who goes to work in Saudi Arabia give up their suites is that OK because they are not Muslims? What a double-standars.@Eurostan, I think the many years you spent worshiping Rats and Cows has impaired your Judgment. Or is it just the curry you put in your food that makes you and your Brain stink. You may not be racist but you are a stupid moron. How does it feel to be the subject of stereotyping? My apologies to the other decent millions of Indians..
16:53 July 24, 2009 by xenu
@Eurostan

You are such a low-life. You must be one of those lowest cast people which are called "Dullat" in India, I guess. Because you are not treated fairly in your own society by your own fellow hindu indians, i know that you usually blame it on other minorities in India.

As for the rest, I really condemn this accident. In the words of a great historian of 20th century, when asked about what was the biggest lesson of history he said "The biggest lesson of history is that people tend to forget it." The phobia created against muslims is to the benefits of the same people who always need a figure in this world to demonize and make money out of it. Once it was communism, now it is muslims, so what is next. China?

German society and politicians need to address this. I am not that worried about whether that low-life racist gets away with it or gets sentenced but what does the german people make out of it.
12:47 July 26, 2009 by abeeroeng
Is this Eurostan sober!! he or she is criticizing muslim people & traditions,only muslim ones? it's ok for hindu women to wear a sari & siekh men to wear that wrapped headwear above their heads but not muslims? and only muslim families have many kids! the hindus and budhists and others all have no more than three children per family.what a perfect india...i wish to go there & see.

if u know bad muslims, it doesn't mean that all muslims r bad or that other religions have perfect holy angels that never do wrong as followers.or maybe the problem of ur country's muslims is that they're "indians"!!!!

please......!!!!
15:21 August 22, 2009 by nighthawk2009
well there is no scarcity of hate in any place on the planet. trust me, this could very well have happened to a non-muslim or even a muslim woman wearing a bikini in a non secular muslim country.

the best we can do is reduce the number of hate filled idiots who are willing to kill on behalf of their ideas and superstitions. that goes for neo nazies as well as jihadis.
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Some 200 football matches in nine European countries including at least three Champions League games may have manipulated in a huge match-fixing scandal, German prosecutors said on Friday. READ (2 COMMENTS) »

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Editorial feud erects artistic six-metre penis

In a massive escalation of a long-standing editorial feud, the newspaper Die Tageszeitung has unveiled an artwork depicting the naked editor-in-chief of its right-wing rival Bild sporting a six-metre penis up the façade of its headquarters. READ (8 COMMENTS) »

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Disabled woman fired for eating pâté meant for patients

A disabled Hannover woman working at a nursing home has been fired after 18 years on the job for eating pâté intended for patients, daily Hannoversche Allgemeine Zeitung reported on Friday. READ (14 COMMENTS) »

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France finds lost spy file on young Hitler

Secret French intelligence service documents on the young Adolf Hitler have surfaced in the country’s national archives, daily Le Monde reported on Friday. READ (4 COMMENTS) »

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Von der Leyen moots expanded child subsidy for poor families

German Family Minister Ursula von der Leyen has proposed expanding a monthly child subsidy for low income parents, daily Passauer Neue Presse reported on Friday. READ (2 COMMENTS) »

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Defence minister expects Karzai to take action

NATO countries expect "more than just words" from Afghan President Hamid Karzai after he promised to combat corruption, German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg said Thursday. READ (3 COMMENTS) »

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Springlike highs expected for weekend

Anyone planning a weekend outing will enjoy sunshine and springlike temperatures in the coming days as a high pressure system moves over the Alps and into central Germany, the DWD weather service reported on Friday. READ »

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Chestnut tree kills pedestrian

A 47-year-old Frankfurt woman died late on Thursday after a chestnut tree suddenly fell and crushed her, police reported. READ (7 COMMENTS) »

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