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Cologne’s Archbishop Joachim Meisner has complained of a growing “Catholic-phobia” in Germany in the wake of two negative incidents involving the Church.
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The catholic church persecuted for abut 1 000 years every other religious group.
Who ever sows the wind shall reap the storm (Hos8:7)
Great, if you group all the abuse into a single incident, then the Nazis also only had several incidents and who would hold that against them?
It's so great that my taxes pay for guys like him.
It's one reason why I'm far more optimistic about islam than many posters here - give muslims an alternative and, like catholicism and protestantism, islam will implode from its own hubris.
(Which is of course only my opinion. And, before I get flamed by christians and muslims alike I am quite prepared to admit I might be wrong and that I'll respect the rights of others to hold differing opinions. Unlike many religionists and atheists alike, I do not believe in trying to force people to my way of thinking.)
One major religious group has a very active minority element dedicated to the conversion or cruel deaths of all others not of their belief, they are referred to as an aberration; at worst, a grotesque deluded group belonging to what is really just a "religion of peace" not at all represented by that violent minority and which deserves all our respect and piety.
On the other hand, another religious group has as well, a small minority of adherents who have committed sexual perversions and been protected by others from justice. For their sins, a whole church is popularly condemned. The "Catholic Church" is based upon teachings that truly are "of peace" and there are also well over a billion adherents to this faith.
Why is it that criticism seems always to be so blatant, defamatory and painted with such a wide brush when it comes to Christianity and not Islam?
As I alluded to in the beginning, I am not philosophically sophisticated, I merely read the written teachings of various religions and try to understand from them
how that belief system would have their faithful strive to live and behave.
Whichever belief system - christian, muslim or atheist - they act the same. With absolute power they force "cruel deaths of all others not of their belief". With limited power they abuse it with "sexual perversions", for example. All the same, we agree, so why the difference in criticism different, you ask?
Is it really so different? Or, is it because of our own associations and the way we were brought up? Women are treated badly in islam but it's those mormons and amish not real christians who treat women badly. Homosexuals are killed in islam but its those funny africans not real christians who kill homosexuals. Muslims kill medical workers in Pakistan but only extremist christians kill abortion doctors, not real christians. Why is it never real christians? Because, we know many real christians, we were brought up with them, often related to them, maybe we are one - and real christians don't do those things!
When a muslim acts badly, well we don't expect anything else do we? However, when a real christian acts badly we are disgusted because we are able to differentiate. Criticism often reflects the criticizer more than the action.
@englishted - agree if you extend it to 'practicing' atheists - they are just as bad
Well argued. Not much to add there except the matter of maturity.
By that I mean the age advantage that Christianity has over Islam. The latter seems to be making mistakes similar to those the former made in its "heyday". I'm thinking of those thousands of innocent women cruelly done to death by the Church hundreds of years ago.
Islam would appear to be following that lead. I think Muslims perhaps need a couple more centuries to catch up with our Enlightenment.
It comes down to reason. I find it difficult to reason with my Muslim friends in matters of belief. Too much brainwashing. My Christian friends, on the other hand, can certainly put up some good, reason-based arguments.
Still the vexed question of the birth canal of course. No manmade religion (and they're all man made) can come to terms with all its functions. No, magic babies are still with us.
The behavior, policies and attitude of the Catholic Church are all well documented.
Don't remember rape victims being turned away from a secular hospital, or children being refused entry to their local secular school on grounds of religion ,or women's rights being downtrodden by atheists .
But maybe I'm out of practice too.
It would have been great if Christianity would have stopped doing (significant) mistakes. Unfortunately, all the issues raised by michael4096 are happening now, in our times. It was Christians that shown no respect for human rights when refusing medical care to rape victims. It seems that brainwashing is still largely used by the Christian Churches. The good thing is that the trend is to reject the extremist religious views and that is happening in all religions.
Furthermore, insisting on a secular state is not the same as "forcing atheism down everybody's throat". In fact, the problem with Christianity in Germany is not that it is forced on anybody; quite the contrary: the churches are far less visible than the amount of public funding they get would suggest. The problem is that people are forced to pay for the churches and that churches are given huge political influence even though fewer and fewer people actually believe in it.
" In fact, the problem with Christianity in Germany is not that it is forced on anybody; quite the contrary: the churches are far less visible than the amount of public funding they get would suggest. "
Then I would ask you to find a place in a kindergarten or even ground school that is secular good luck in your search because there are none in my town.
And do you think that these church-run kindergartens and schools are charity? Do you think they are paid for by church taxes or church funds? In fact, they are not.
The fact that you can't find secular schools (and probably hospitals etc.) in your town is exactly the problem I'm getting at: these institutions are subsidized by general taxes and paid for by user fees, but they are controlled by churches, and they are then used by these churches to advance their political agenda and gain influence.
We are singing off the same song sheet .
Secularism for Germany.
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