Published: 27 Jan 13 10:31 CET | Print version
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Germany has "an everlasting responsibility" for the crimes committed by the Nazis, Chancellor Angela Merkel said Saturday, just days ahead of the 80th anniversary of Adolf Hitler's takeover of power.
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The holocaust was caused by a German government which did not represent the majority of the German people. It was a crime of enormous brutality and deserves to be remembered as such, but a responsibility of the people who did not take part, definitely not!
I certainly do not wish to take responsibility for many things the British government did or does. I can complain about what they do, but I cannot stop them, any more than most Germans are able to stop Frau Merkel making speeches which bear no reality to the facts, be they of the past or present.
It is correct for us all to learn from the wrongs done to human-beings by other human-beings, therefore remembrance days can be useful, but it cannot make us responsible for them. We are responsible for what we have done, do, or will one day be doing, not because we belong to a certain ethnic group.
Or is there someone online who chose their own place of birth?
That just isn't true. Hitler didn't come to power in a coup, his party was democratically elected, and he became dictator through a majority vote in parliament. And the parliamentarians who voted for him knew how dangerous and anti-semitic he was; you can read the parliamentary record, it's online. Most major institutions in Germany collaborated with the Hitler government, including both the Catholic and protestant churches.
Many of the debates that led to Hitler's rise to power sound chillingly like modern political debates, and a slide into fascism is a danger that still lurks in many modern democracies.
In the last free elections, the National Socialists were less in number than the other two workers parties. The Social Democrats and Communists together had over a million more supporters. Once in power of course, he was able to destroy the opposition in the German government. Without opposition any government can say it has a majority, but this is not then representative of the population.
LOOK IN THE MIRROR BEFORE CRITICISING OTHERS, FOR FEAR THAT WHAT YOUR ACTUALLY CRITICISING IS YOURSELF.
@noas, the article in Der Spiegel places the blame on the French and South American authorities and Interpol, as well as individuals within the German bureaucracy. It also goes on to say that later German governments were pro-active in seeking out and arresting suspected Nazi war criminals.
Also let¦#39;s remember that the Americans were also implicated in this escape of Nazis from justice when it suited them, e.g Wernher von Braun and other scientists involved in rocketry or nuclear research. Tom Lehrer has a word or two to say (or rather sing) in this regard!
Why only the victims can express lost and of family?
I did not say that he did. I said he came to power with a majority vote of parliament. But parliament represents the will of the people, and the Christian and liberal party parliamentarians represented their voters when they voted for him. That's the way representative democracy works. Nor should the vote of the Christian party have surprised people.
"Once in power of course, he was able to destroy the opposition in the German government. Without opposition any government can say it has a majority, but this is not then representative of the population."
That is not what happened. What actually happened is that German parliament voluntarily relinquished its power to Hitler with the Enabling Act. The deciding votes were cast by the Christian party. And although it is hard to quantify after 1933, indications are that Hitler enjoyed strong popular support until the war started turning against Germany.
The idea that Hitler did not represent the will of the German people just isn't tenable. Hitler should be a chilling reminder and warning that democracy can go off the rails when economic times are tough.
What was the will of the people when Bush Jr was elected and then reelected? Or Putin for that matter? Politics the way it should be is a beautiful concept but the problem is, politics is not how it should be. It is dirty, it is deceptive and it is corrupt.
I know this first hand. I was one forced to into open heart surgery in 1974, given a lethal injection, treated to threats and racism and forced to pave the road in medical progress for the sole benefit of true Canadian children. All to pay the collective price for Adolf Hitler's crimes so said Canadian authorities. They even called me a slave and a gift to their Jewish leader for revenge. He gets medals now for this. As for the experiments, they were conducted in secret in order to hide the truth about how they obtained their break through. The ends justify the means. Today the Canadian authorities hide the crimes of this governments. That was the positive side.
The negative side was they actually tried to sabotage (through murder) their own medical experiments in order to halt medical progress and maintain the status quo - no cure. It was in their opinion better for business if there was no cure. Back then the authorities in Canada tried unsuccessfully to murder me during their experiments. They hoped to endanger the patient force them to take greater risks because they were seen as non citizens. Today the police and authorities in Canada still hide the crimes of the state ironically just like Adolf Hitler's authorities tried.
Time to protect your own people. Force the other countries that two wrongs do not make a right. Canada hates Germans and see's no problem in exploiting them even 25 to 68 years later. I know I witnessed it and died on a table. I survived because doctors and nurses allowed me to escape the clutches of these evil men.
I have 99 problems. Dissent, religious and political propaganda censorship aint one!
But is one of those 99 that you can't stop repeating the same comment?
#12 and #15 .even when it is wrong.
@ aletheia93 #7
Not condoning racist behavior and violence. Much of Poland was Germany.....now, can we discuss how that happened?
The first is that the current members of German society are not responsible for the crimes of the Nazi regime. They are responsible to remember, and to do everything possible to ensure such things can never happen again, just as we all are, but they are not to blame for those actions.
The second is that there are other, similar crimes that have occurred, perpetrated by many nations. In all likelihood, every country has such behaviors in their history, and that neither justifies nor exonerates those actions. A case can easily be made that the US did so regarding the native Americans, or Stalin did within the Soviet Union. There are many other, similar abusive regimes that owe the world similar responsibilities...to remember, to honor the victims, and to do what's necessary to prevent a future repeat.
This is our collective responsibility, and Germany has been a leader in doing what's possible to remember, and I think we all need to thank them for that.
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Is another one of the 99 referring to me as "my good person" when my good chap would have been far nicer and less politically correct.
Times change, stop living in the past.
Let me give you an example.
My ancestors ran a station on the underground railroad helping escaped slaves to freedom in Canada prior to the American civil war. I take a certain pride in that fact and had I been alive in those times I would have helped them. But I was not alive then and thus can take no credit. So, what would happen if I went up to Canada and located the descendants of those escaped slaves my ancestors aided, and demanded compensation for their escape to freedom? I would be laughed off of the front porch for suggesting it and rightly so.
This claim that present-day Germans who were not alive during WW2 bear responsibility for events they had nothing to do with is equally ridiculous, and you should be laughed off of the front porch for suggesting it.
Absolutely agree with you. What about Napoleon? Should the French be burdened with guilt for trying to take over the world with a war of aggression that resulted in millions murdered and killed?
The answer is no one should be responsible for the crimes of their father. However that is not how people in power work, even today. It is a sad fact that so called good men have imposed punishment on the innocent to pay for the crimes of others from the past. Today innocent Germans are collectively punished. Even children of mixed races with German names in far off Allied countries have been made to pay the price of retribution for Adolf's crimes decades after the war. I know my family was one and I was exploited, enslaved and denied my liberty, dignity, and justice. I was sentenced to die in forced human experiments because I was disabled and German. My family even fought for the Allies in WW2 and my uncle murdered by the SS in Caen for having a German name and fighting on the wrong side. However that is irrelevant to the evil powerful men bent on revenge and exploitation. Even the police and authorities when alerted just looked the other way. Its actually quite easy in some countries as the German community is not always strong or vocal and its therefore easy for powerful individuals or governments to criminally exploit and persecute the innocent just because they are seen as German. Just don't write down the true order. Do what Adolf did for the extermination of the Jews - give the command orally so you can deny, deny, deny and just write down that your "relocating them". All of these types of crimes must be brought into the light of day and those responsible punished. Germany actually has a duty to investigate ongoing crimes and illegal punishment carried out in their name in other countries. God knows the offending countries will never lift a finger and the abuse will continue if not challenged. Time to stand up Germans and be reasonable and a voice of justice for all not just the select groups. Again, no child should pay the price for the crimes of their fathers or ancestry.
"Supposed" because neither were present then, and no authority is vested with the grand children of the suffered to accuse with a common guilt and shame those of the committed , which in itself constitutes a deliberate crime of accusing the innocent and recalls the justification the wolf at upstream to prey on a lamb downwards in Aesop's fable.