Published: 12 Nov 12 15:51 CET | Print version
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20121112-46121.html
The share of east Germans with an extreme right wing political mentality has exploded over the last two years, with nearly one in six now thinking like a neo-Nazi, new figures show.
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As comments go this one of yours is surrealist .
As the demographics change here so will the percentage of neo nazis.
I am so happy that the money I pay for Solidaritätszuschlag is doing absolutely nothing.
" Chancellor Merkel, build back that wall" !
OK , you got I am stirring , it's a far cop!
What is this? The mind police?
"Die Gedanken sind frei" still means anything to anyone?
Will Germany learn anything from history, or simply replace one tyranny with another?
So, what other tricks, rather than empty accusations, can you throw at me?
Seriously, can anyone here run a mature discussion, using facts, documents, explainations... You know, a debate, not a p*ss-contest?
And a lot of things will put you on the watchlist of the German intelligence. Burning cars, throwing rocks and fighting with police is one of them. It just makes no sense that they'd monitor everyone who's a party member. They need the manpower to watch others too. :)
Oh and Zschäpe is a trollop. Everyone knows women in this scene are matresses who follow orders, not some mastermind-something. She's LfV's fig leaf. LfV sharted their pants, now they'll try to make a scene-skank to look like she is the mastermind.
You were the one saying, in spite of all evidence screaming the exact opposite, that "the state appears to ignore far-left violence". If that's not a paranoid statement, I don't know what's one. So you want "a mature discussion, using facts, documents"? Well, I provided a link from the German media quoting the Interior Minister and a few other officials. What about you? Daft rhetoric. Quelle surprise. Yeah, mature discussion indeed.
I don't care about Beate Zschäpe being a big boss of the scene or not, and I never implied any such thing. I mentioned her because you spoke about the state "locking up" people with far-right views - another interesting contribution of yours to this "mature discussion". Well, was she "locked up" just for the crime of hating foreigners, or rather on grounds of murdering brown people and blowing up banks? There's a difference I believe... Normally, you can respond whatever you like to that sort of survey and won't risk much, unless you punctuate your answers with outstretched arms and shouts of "Sieg Heil" to the pollsters, which is another story...
Then you're free not to like that sort of survey, and just like sonriete, to find them "creepy". I think they usually are very interesting. Most of them. All those surveys that tell us what people think of the EU, how "integrated" immigrants feel in Germany, how very religious a significant number of young Turks in Germany are, how many Americans believe in creationism, how people perceive the financial sector, etc, are fascinating and useful to understand the society we live in.
I don't always like the results of these surveys, or the judgmental tones with which they usually are disclosed (most often it is clearly a case of "right vs wrong answer") but I find nothing "creepy" about them. The creepy part, for me, is the reaction of people who lament that we dare to bring up the topic in the news (censorship anyone?) and start complaining right away about the "mind police".
If you care to type "linksextremismus studie" in a search engine, you'll get plenty of results showing the wealth of research on leftwing movements. Of course, then, if you solely rely on The Local to inform you, well...
Why every time there is discussion about Neonazis there is someone blaming Stalin and his believers? Do you think that all the anti-Nazi people are Stalinists? If you are right and the rate of Stalinists is higher than this of Neonazis then the situation is even worst. We say no to fascism - black or red!!!
Extremists of all types come out of the woodwork when the economy gets rough. The problem is, that the extremists of the so-called right are the ones that get the most negative publicity. The left and the Salafis are just as bad.
I don't see this ending well. Germany has had much inflation as a whole, but the money is concentrated in the west, particularly the southwest. The country has ruined its energy industries, and will end up paying much more for electricity and fuel, and it will all be flowing out of the country. Industry will shortly start departing, probably for areas where the long-term prospects are better, for instance, Czechia. What will be left in twenty years will be a very very wealthy, spending all of their money and energy avoiding a confiscatory tax regime, and they will all be old. Non-Germans will be imported to do the 'manual labor'. In fifty years German will become an anachronistic language and identity, as the last 'traditional and ethnic' Germans die of old age.
So tell me, why is it REALLY you and all other lefties are so trigger-happy when it comes to defaming someone as a Nazi? Rules of psychology says that it's a way to distancing the problem from oneself, by blaming it on another. Kind of like latent homosexuals call others "homo". So, while you're busy smearing your dirt on me, perhaps it is you who really has something to declare to the Gewissenszoll?
Oh and I speak 4 languages, therefore my choice of media sources is by far wider than yours. Just in case I have a rabbit in my hat especially for you. A research, such as the one above, done by lefties (or else you wouldn't swallow it). Now what I find interesting, is the figures on page 45, when they break down the figures into affilliation with a political party:
http://www.fes-gegen-rechtsextremismus.de/pdf_12/mitte-im-umbruch_www.pdf
Here's a quick breakdown of the survey:
http://www.zukunftskinder.org/?p=31747#more-31747
So, one could be a schauvinistic, xenophobic anti-semite, but he could polish his conscience at the SPD. Seriously, the more they poke at this whole "Nazi-thoughts" business, the more they find it in themselves.
Oh and as far as for leftwing extremist, there's the VfS website. It's all free to be read there. And yes, kind of hard to ignore the open violence at demos.
Good day to you, Sir.
But we as the next generation have in the whole world and in our country the much more higher responibility than others to prevent, to resist against "Moderrn Dr. Mengeles from Haar to Straubing" and to open our mouth against the sympathy with "ultra-right daemagogs." Even Mr. Helmut Schmidt ("Ex-Bundeskanzler") and honest-fine people of the more conservative parts said this many times. "Alex Zouras Award/Foundation" Speaker Dr. Bernhard Pallmann
No wait, I also call BS on what I wrote above - I've so far lived in major cities, but that's not where the difference lies, it's in the villages in the countryside. West German villages have their Schützenfests and a kind of endemic and impenetrable cultural conservatism you just don't see in the East, whereas many East German villages are completely impoverished in a way that will confront you every day from morning to evening however much you personally earn - they're extremely depressing places, and a natural hotbed for extremist politics whichever way. Villages have their own community dynamic you won't find in large towns and cities.
There may be something to the statistic, but you have to have lived there and met the people to see what the numbers actually mean. But only after you've taken your political sunglasses off, whether red or brown tinted.