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Education Minister Annette Schavan has reacted angrily to accusations from the University of Düsseldorf that she plagiarised her doctoral thesis, which she wrote in 1980. "I won't accept that," she said.
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And hey, you can cheat without the internet too.
The national government of Germany may not be the worst in Europe, but it certainly needs a good clean-out. Titles and mandates which have been bought are not a sign of democracy. The question remains however, not only in this country: Is there anybody, who could be trusted to really represent the people, who would be ready to do so?
To get rid of this issue, they should also go after the advising staff of the person that cheated. This would allow the system to regulate itself, nobody would risk their own prestige and hard work over looking the other way or not being thorough enough during the fact checking process.
Years later the blame gets shunted on to the award bearer and the slack faculties and academic review panels slink of into the shadows of the past. Another victim of poor university practice as I read the situation.
A Ph.D. student has already written numerous papers and probably a lesser thesis also. They already know the importance of proper citations.
They are absolutely responsible for giving credit where it is due and they have already been taught this. No Ph.D. student would argue otherwise (only the ones caught plagiarising).
Carbon copy kid.
Read the later part of the article neither one of those two was brought to court for fraud and Silvana Koch-Mehrin I believe is still a M.E.P. all she gave up was Chairwoman of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe in May 2011 ,didn't even have the honesty to resign her seat.
Criminal behavior by top dogs and nothing ever done about it.
Criminal? Immoral yes. But not a crime.
I would even go so far as to say that the course work before any thesis still has to be accomplished to the schools standards. So one would think that the knowledge needed for her line of work was there all along. I find the reaction to the recent thesis scandals rather odd. By the posts one would think that these people had been guilty of mass murder. The way i see it. It's 100% politicaly motivated. And has nothing to do with questioning their knowledge.
Bit like the Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg story... their stupidity is not the real story (if they did in fact plagiarise - disclaimer), but who was/is to benefit from such revelations?
Theft is criminal, and what she did was thieve somebody else's work.
Because the German system chases illegal downloading so whats the difference apart from these politicians use the title Doctor to enhance their careers .
Further to my comment on Sylvana Koch-Mehrin.
Sylvana Koch-Mehrin was appointed as a full member to the Committee on Industry, Research, and Energy of the Parliament. Who says crime doesn't pay.
While you may be technically correct (In a German over the top anal retentive way)
It's not material theft in the classic sense. As in the downloading example. Just what is the copyright fee for having mentioned someones line in a thesis? Zero perhaps. As those mentioned in a thesis do not receive monies for the citation of their idea.
When you are at work in an electronics company and create a new circuit. Do you need to make footnote citations showing that the work you did was accomplished using Ohms law, Or Kirchhoff's law. No! Then I guess you need to be fired for theft. Even if you seek to patent a new circuit. You are not required to cite those people's (Ohm, Kirchoff) ideas. Does the knowledge that an electrical engineer have that also has a doctorate. Suddenly become null and void because they didn't cite someone's line.
The Euro crisis, The Middle East, Emigration, Terrorism. small potatoes. Who cares about that stuff. We need to investigate everyone with a Doctorate. Doesn't matter what it costs or that they have been doing a good job.
If a university looks at your thesis. Reviews and grades it, And consequently gives you a diploma. There really should be a statute of limitations. Or a review board to check into whether a thesis investigation is a politically motivated witch hunt.
I think I understand the point you're making, zeddriver, concerning intellectual property, and the universal ownership of knowledge, but in this case, I think it does qualify as theft,. It is theft specifically because it is a paper meant to demonstrate the abilities of the doctoral candidate, not the originator of the initial ideas, and the initial author is not the one receiving the PHD.
Also, to measure of this demonstration, in addition to original thinking, is to demonstrate the ability to follow form and meet the standards. Citation is part of the form and lack of this element is traditionally cause for disqualification.
Ah! But what to do about it. I just think that to demand resignations and firings is a bit much. At a certain point in time I think one has to throw their hands in the air and ask. Are we really helping our selves. Especially when the "targeted" doctorate holder has had many (successful) years in their chosen field. It starts to look like a witch hunt based on political leanings.
Look at this case. It was an anonymous person that submitted the accusation 32 years later. He/She was digging into the past of this women for what reason. Civic concern? Can you imagine the social outcast never had sex geek of a person that suddenly out of the blue decided to thumb through 351 pages of a 32 year old thesis. But then. That's Germany.
I don't see what's so "notable" about it. You don't get first dibs or veto rights on what other people think or say about your academic work.
"Look at this case. It was an anonymous person that submitted the accusation 32 years later. He/She was digging into the past of this women for what reason. "
Their motivation or name is irrelevant. They may be doing it out of a personal grudge, because they don't like her politics, or because they don't like heir hairstyle, it doesn't matter.
"Especially when the "targeted" doctorate holder has had many (successful) years in their chosen field."
Then she will continue to be successful without her doctoral title, should she lose it. And perhaps some university will come around and give her an honorary one.
"I just think that to demand resignations and firings is a bit much."
Why shouldn't people "demand" it? It's certainly worth talking about. And others may disagree that the was "successful".