Published: 10 Apr 12 11:04 CET | Print version
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German writer and Nobel laureate Günter Grass has been banned from Israel over his latest poem. But as The Local’s media roundup finds, pundits are split over whether what he said was justifiable or not.
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He never criticized people because of their faith or other religious beliefs. He never criticized anyone for being who they are. He just criticized abhorrent political and military behavior. That is free speech, based on sound observation and high ethical values. The "Good Germans?" Gunther Grass is a good German in this case. The meaningless slur of anti-Semitism is well and truly laid to rest here as fallacious.
When Saddam Hussein was developing a nuclear weapon and long range missles to deliver it- the Israelis warned the scientists, not to participate- when some continued, eg Cdn Gerald Bull, Mossad assassinated him in Brussells.
But that was not enough- so the Israelis launched a surgical air strike against their nuclear reactor at Osirk.that put their program back years- there were few Iraqui casualties.
Now we repeat the same story with Iran- Israel warns the scientists- the scientists don't listen- so a few of them have been assassinated.
Next step- Israel will launch a surgical air strike against Iran's nuclear facilities.
there will be few casualties. end of story.
But Grass wishes to exaggerate- he says Israel will launch a nuclear war against Iran-he wants to depict Israelis as some modern Nazis. thus he presents a ridiculous scenario as if Israel will bomb Iran and turn Tehran and other cities into another Hiroshima and Nagasaki. absurd.
More Iraquis are killed when a Shiite bomb targets Sunnis ( or vice versa) than were killed in Israel's bombing of Osirk.
I can understand that the people of Israel are afraid of Iran having nuclear weapons, especially because it is Iran or to be more precise the Iranian government which continues to threaten to destroy Israel, not Israel threatens to destroy Iran. (in this case Grass was wrong, nevertheless declaring him a persona non grata is not right because he should have had the opportunity to come to Israel to dicuss with the people face to face as I stated in another article here on the local).
I don't know whether Grass is an anti-semite or not (but to be honest I don't think that he actually is one). Some things he wrote in his poem were wrong, but I think he did that on purpose because by doing that he knew that the entire world would talk about his open.
Bringing his in deed questionable past into the discussion might be an attempt to get away from the "core" of his poem: In my opinion he wanted to emphasize that especially in Germany you are not allowed to criticise Israel without being called an anti-semite by Jewish people and non-Jewish Germans - and in my opinon he is right.
Thequestion is how crazy are the religious freaks called ayatollahs? I think they know that Iran would actually cease to exist if they gave nuclear weapons to terroristson purpose or if the directly attacked Israel. The U.S. American and Israeli answer would be devastating. Now the question is whether these religious freaks love their live on earth or prefer to end up in a nuclear winter or - as they believe - with as many virgins as they want.
Best regards to you.
Israel is threatening a so-called surgical strike attack against the Iranian government's nuclear facilities. This may be a bad idea, but it is not the same as the preemptive nuclear Holocaust against the Iranian people that Grass accuses Israel of threatening. No serious Israeli politician is threatening the first-strike use of nuclear weapons on Iran. Moreover, the submarines provided by Germany are designed as a passive deterrent, in case Israel suffers from a massive military attack crippling its ability to respond. No one has said that the submarines are intended for preemptive attack.
Yes, Israeli critics of Grass completely over-reacted -- probably for domestic political reasons. But Grass's line of reasoning was also completely faulty. He is a cranky, self-righteous New Left old man with a conflicted past and possibly a conflicted conscience. It's unfortunate that he won't just shut up. But since we won't, we should all ignore him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IranIsrael_relations
Now, we have seen new evidence of crimes (assassination) directed against Iran
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/04/mek.html
What is the impression of the common Iranian? 1) Israel is allowed nukes and Iran is not. 2) There is a persistent history of persecution of Iran grounded in factual history. 3) Both the USA and Israel cannot be trusted for sound reasons.
Allowing the USA and its satellite Israel to simply bear down on Iran only entrenches the ayatollahs in power with their ability to point the finger at historical and ongoing fact, keeping the man on the street focused on the outside threat. The policies are stupid, probably bigoted, and in the end, likely the entire geo-political community loses. It is a sad day that it is Grass bring this discussion into the light when in fact it should be the responsibility of the German leadership.
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i dont get what all the drama is about, if people are not able to understand what he says they shouldnt open their mouth and tell their pointless opinions.
This is exactly where the problem is - Mr. Grass entered a political minefield:
- Israeli Left is now using it along with the response by the current Right coalition government in their political agenda like they would use any other small or big case to bash the government
- Iran Government and Israel enemies is using it for delegitimization of very existence of the state of Israel
- Neo Nazis and others with anti-cemitic agenda view this as a new blood libel published right on the Easter/Passover eve
No matter what Mr. Grass have intended, this is the result of his poetical enterence in the Middle East politics.
I do agree with every word you wrote.
I do think Grass is a talent Author but he did a mistake by jumping into the political water of the middle east,and the results are exactly as you describe very well.
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