February 23, 2012
Published: 21 Jul 11 15:39 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110721-36455.html
The conflict over the Stuttgart 21 railway project flared up again on Thursday when opponents to the plan said they would not take part in the presentation of a ‘stress test’ report on how it would function, branding it nothing more than a show.
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I have seen it gradually change, first with the building of the U-Bahn system in teh mid '70s, the conversion of Koenigstrasse into a pedestrian mall, and later with many other "improvements" that made it more "world class " (I hate that phrase!). But all this was at a cost to its old warmth, charm, and comfortingly "provincial" character.
Progress, I guess.... sigh!
What I donot get is the Green protesters still making noise about something that the majority of people have agreed too. The cost must be in the millions for additional police and security so a hand full of people can protest. It should come from their income sources be it state welfare or what ever. It is goinfg to be built and I think a special tax levy should be takeen if you belong to the Green party in BW to cover the additional cost; that they are driving up with delays and security.
People have always fought progress even when it was for the general good of the population but when do you stop! as in when will the greens give up seeing that their protest want make it stop... I also think they should be photographed and not allowed to use the rail system, go back to walking and bicycles and donot use public trasnportation.. No it will be like the former DDR the Communist party members came over first, they were the ones with money and cars. So the greens will be the first to use the new system of course...... What a farce. Grow up......
John
Without being on the protesters' side, I understand that the problem is the huge increase in costs. The first issue is that the mayor promised before being elected in 2004 that he will organise a referendum if the additional costs of the project amounted to more than € 200 million (based on this promise, the Green candidate withdrew from the electoral race and offered him his support) . But then in November 2007 the mayor, without any referendum, approved the project with initial costs estimated at € 2.8 billion and additional costs capped at € 1 billion. The polls showed in April 2008 a 50-50 split regarding the opinion about the project. Then they started to increase the costs more and more and so in November 2008 64% of the population was against the project. Apparently now the total cost of the project amounts to more than € 5 billion.
It seems that at the time of signing the agreement, Deutsche Bahn consciously hid the real costs (they were internally estimated at € 4.1 billion). So we are actually talking about pure fraud.
So it is not really a fight between progress and traditionalism. It is about the citizens being tricked both by Deutsche Bahn and the mayor. The additional costs incurred by the protest are basically insignificant if related to the hidden additional costs.
Also it seems to me that the opponents tend to forget that the cost doesn't only include the cost of building a new train station but also high-speed rail tracks and a tunnel. so sure, it's expensive. We are talking about huge construction.
For a country who claim to be so green, I found it a little extreme to be against public transportation. And when you think you need 3 hours by train against 2 hours by car to do a Munich-Stuttgart, no wonder why no one use the train in this country.
And my last point is: who really believe that a terminus station is the future? Honestly I don't.
The protest isn't against a high-speed rail link, it is against the selling off of the existing rail station for development and tunnels which would join the new station to the network.Btw, the stress test only allows a train 2.5 minutes in the station, whereas TGV trains need a minimum of 6 minutes, so the project is actually not compatible with TGV style trains without cutting the capacity.... go figure!
I hope you can see DB's policy of not maintaing the existing station for the sinical tactic it is, why don't you ask them why they cannot even get a cleaner clean the pigeon dropping from the platforms? If you think this level of carelessness is acceptable then how long do you think it will be before the new station is similarly disgusting? As with many large scale developments once the concrete is poured and the money is siphoned off the developers will not be around to do the maintenance work.
@celined
ps. There are also some other terrible terminus stations out there, NY Grand Central, London St. Pancras, Munich, Paris North, Paris East and ..... Marseille. Although I'm sure you're hoping that they are also demolished?