Published: 21 Jun 11 14:52 CET | Print version
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Dozens of Germany's leading business executives have made an impassioned defence of Europe's common currency in a newspaper ad campaign urging angry taxpayers to look beyond the cost of bailouts to the benefits the euro.
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The Greek parliament is currently facing a tough call with respect to future measures to reaarange their financial household book. And at present we are seeing the economists do the calculating, the politicians do the talking/negotiating and the banks may mildly be supportive. Yet all the talk and public debate seems to be in terms of black and white, of division, rather than in terms of connection.
At pressing times like these, it may be time for the citizens themselves to speak out and connect to Greece and its people. The euro has a very positive cost-benefit ratio as it shielded Europe from uncanny complicated situation when the financial crisis hit in 2007. Without it we would have had highly fragmented local financial disasters all over Europe. Politicians are forgetting this too quickly and choosing for populistic lines of reasoning to satisfy what, in their view, is the peoples wish/opinion.
On both a political and human level, there is no other way than supporting the Greek. But we shouldn't let only the politicians and bankers do the work. It is now time for European labour unions, companies, families, sports clubs, stamp collectors and what have you, to reach out to the Greek counterparts that they have been in touch with over the last years.
It is a heartening sign that in particular the German industry stands out and leads the way in terms of this moral leadership...
I have been to Germany several times and it is almost unanimous that German's are against the Euro (maybe its just the ones I met). But it seems like more problems will arise if continental Europe's largest economy and strongest government continues to go against what such a large segment of its population wants it to do.
You only have been in Germany few times and you think you know what all the 70 million Germans are thinking. This is called steriotyping. By seeing couple of people, you can not judge a whole nation.
They should have made the Euro but used it as a travel and trade currency allowing the other to fluctuate against it.
Greece has to go, the banks and investors need to take the lost move only the Greeks can fix Greece.
You are clearly pro-Euro, and you know the costs of it. Most of the German people "I have talked to" are worried what will happen to their incomes if too many issues come up in Euro nations. Statistics show that the majority of Germans are pro-Euro. Maybe it was the cities I spent most of my time in (Berlin, Nuremberg, Munich)? Was not trying to stereotype, just giving my personal experiences.
Germany is better off with the EU and the Euro. The bonded indebtedness of Greece that preceded the current crisis was managed and issued by Goldman Sachs. Greece and/or Goldman knew clearly at the point of entry that their books were not balanced and the unsustainable debt existed or would come due.
True, that Greece (and Italy) need better bookkeeping and more rational fiscal management like Germany and the northern countries. But the benefits of increased markets and trading partners outweigh those factors. The reticence to give the EU more power to oversee and enforce individual countries' fiscal operations is what led to this. So, the Euro skeptics who kept limiting EU enforcement powers are much to blame for this.
When there is transparency, bad behavior or cultures of irresponsibility can't be hidden. That's why the EU needs more power over individual states, not less. Otherwise, Germany and other European nations are left to argue over menial issues like banning smoking or gay marriage or shopping on Sundays.
Prioritize, please, and think.
Greeks and Germans are totally different people. They don't think the same. Therefore, how in the name of God can people expect the EU to function in harmony?
Sometimes less is more. A shrinkage of the EU would actually strenghten the union over the long-term. Why can't people understand this?
"What Goldman Sachs did with the Greek government is very common with many European sovereigns that issue debt in foreign currencies (i.e. USD, JPY). Clearly it worked in hiding the severity of the coming Greek crisis, it lowered their public debt to GDP ratio from 105.3% to 103.7%. A whopping 1.6% ten to eleven years ago! Sorry, you only have the Greeks and their outrageous spending to blame for this one. "
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Greece is a basket case, and so is the Euro. Postponing the inevitable will simply make it more expensive.
Germany will go through another couple of years of adaptation, as it did after the reunification, and did again after the introduction of the Euro. But in the end it will come out on top again. Germany's opportunities for economic growth lie outside of Europe, not within.
Greece joined the EU under fraudulent terms, this should void them remaining in the EU give them more money it will be gone too next year. Greece needs to make more products and provide more services they have to work of this debt they cannot keep borrowing more money and hope in time to pay it back.
With international markets and big banks literally controlling economic policies across borders, the term 'sovereignty' is used as a shield to protect banking and establishment interests from regulation, pure and simple. And from transparency.
Ordinary working families are always at the mercy of these behemoth banking entities and routinely sold down the river by their (banksters) political puppets. The only time "sovereignty" is used is to manipulate the gullible into thinking their nation is 'special', 'under their citizen's control', or to keep away 'outsiders from interfering'. Meaning, don't scrutinize the most powerful interests, their irresponsible business practices, and inventions of financial instruments that make them a lot of money, but put entire economies at risk.
Any German or American or any countries' citizens who actually think they have an economic vested interest in "sovereignty", as it applies to cross border banking regs and fiscal transparency, is simply naïve and self-sabotaging.
Greece overspent and issued bonds to cover it, but it was with Goldman's blessing, who did not do due diligence on the actual ability of Greece to pay off that bonded indebtedness.
If Greece defaults many European Banks will go bankrupt, whether people or companies lost their bank deposits or governments face big debt burden to bailout them.
Greeks abuse Europe by lie and now threaten to default to get more money.
If North Europeans not stand firm on greeks, Spain Italy Portugal will declare bankruptcy due to public pressure rather than paying debts.
This will bring trillions of extra burden to North Europeans.
"What if the banks of Europe were to issue entirely new bonds, or notes, with the idea that they would eventually become a new currency, for nations such as Greece and Portugal?"
Banks that hold Greek debt would be the owners of the "new paper", without actually paying one dime for them. The new notes would actually be "A New Currency in Disguise", in an attempt to avoid panic in financial markets?
When we have a problem, the first thing is to find the correct solution, and then make a "Smooth Transition."
Your ideas are about as thought provoking as a weiner schnitzel.
"Growth is literally impossible, without new ideas and solutions." AD
Who said Eistein is the greatest. He is not. there are much more great scientists than him. Actually one of Einstein's inventions was the atomic bomb which is the most destructive evil weapons of all time. Both for humanity and earth. So I think, if Einstein never existed, we would not be much different. Exept there would be no atomic bomb
As for Greece surely they are better out of it after all when you are in a hole you stop digging and borrowing more money to pay off the borrowing that already cannot afford is just madness.
Let the banks take it on the chin and if they fail thay fail just like ordinary an bussiness.
All they want to do is privatise the profits and socialise the debts