Published: 10 Jun 11 09:54 CET | Print version
Updated: 10 Jun 11 17:58 CET
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German officials on Friday said they had found the first direct evidence of deadly E. coli bacteria on vegetable sprouts thought to have killed 33 people and left over 3,000 ill.
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This really floors me! Pretty much all politicians are crappy self-servers who'll deny anything to save face, but this beats all it seems entirely typical of this government in particular and of Germans in general--ALWAYS deflecting blame, ignoring responsibility and pointing the finger at something/someone other than themselves.
Doesn't seem to occur to this idiot that if "communication" had been closer to "perfect" then there'd been less sowing ground for this supposed "self-appointed experts". Furthermore, it wasn't due to so-called experts that THIS government blamed Spanish cucumbers!!
The latest "theory" is a joke.. Frankfurt and Gottingen? but the outbreak is centered around Hamburg
But on the other hand. If the government had not issued warnings. And a tornado wiped out the city.
So in the arena of public safety, No matter what government does. People will be pissed off. Issuing warnings is a job position that I would not want to be in. If you issue a warning to early. Your called reactionary and over zealous. Issue a warning to late and your call heartless and uncaring.
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I dont wanna say anything but the last EHEC epidemic in the "well developed" nationes caused in Japan 10.000 deads and in California 2000 + millions of recalled burgers and the source wasnt found also.
Not sure what you guys try to blame the gvt for right now, but the only critic can point to the burocracy and the federalism, which slow down all possible reactions.
It is also important to understand that e. coli outbreaks are difficult to trace or prove because the bacteria is often on just one batch among many, and by the time investigators start food testing it may already be out of the food chain. Unless one can identify the exact index case and obtain a sample of the food the person was eating, the exact source may never be identified. That is why it is so important to start interviewing affected persons within 24 - 48 hours after an outbreak is identified.
At least you chose a good name for yourself...
Also i messed up with 10k deads, 10k infected - 10 dead. In scotland 470 infected, 18 dead.
The values abt the amount of EHEC infected check out the official released datasheets of the US.
I foudn this nice statistics through the following site.
http://www.medicoconsult.de/wiki/EHEC-Infektion#Epidemiologie
And btw, nationwide 40 deads ;) from 14000 infected. So the official report of US.
Not sure where you got your little values from.
It was BAD when German officials quickly blamed Spanish & Dutch produce because they showed a distant relative of these E. Coli. Those E. Coli were never going to be associated with the one that is killing/infecting so many people right now. What they got was dis-proof of a connection, but they played it in the public, anyway.
Because of the fast-jump on non-German produce and the slow-acceptance of circumstantial evidence that it IS the German produce, German officials are looking very bad. In a health crisis, close mindedness (or isolationist thinking) GETS PEOPLE KILLED.
"And this was from an organic farm. Bio-markets were supposed to be so healthy and back-to-nature whilst regular grocery stores were old news. "
it has little to do with that. It's about the germination process, organic or not... Those sprouts are kept in a moist environment above 30 degrees celsius to germinate, which is an ideal breeding ground for myriads of microorganisms of all kinds. It could have happened similarly at any large industrial sprout producer.
When I heard that Spain was going to sue Germany I got pissed. If they sued, I was determined not to buy any products from Spain. When I was in the food store, I heard similar comments from customers.
Germany is a huge market for products from EU countries. The consumer is king. The consumer may have sympathy for someone falsely accused and buy more. By the same token, using tactics of revenge or retaliation means everyone loses.
It is still not certain about the source of the E coli, and staying on the side of caution is prudent.
Enhanced growing methods may be part of the problem. Cucumbers, naturally grown, were not yet available on the German market when the outbreak occurred. Farmers markets are usually the first to offer fresh vegetables and they were not available. I have a big garden and will wait for the growing cycle to complete the process. I want my vegetables to be fresh and tasty, naturally ripened. Locally grown, within the natural growing season/cycle is less risky, and contributes to the local economy.
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And this was from an organic farm. Bio-markets were supposed to be so healthy and back-to-nature whilst regular grocery stores were old news.
18:07 June 10, 2011 by Relaxed
I've never trusted bio food and try to avoid it whenever I can.
This is the EXACT thing that they want!
I cite the data from the Centers for Disease Control (U.S.) for my posts. The CDC 2011 estimate for e. coli is 2,138 with a 90% credible interval of 549 - 4,614 (nationwide hospitalizations.) E. coli is not even among the top 5 causes of death by pathogenic organisms, in spite of an estimated 265,000 cases of STEC annually in the U.S. This year there were two confirmed outbreaks of STEC in the U.S. - 1 with 8 reported cases, and 1 with 14 reported cases. This is the problem with citing statistics - one has to have a full frame of reference to make conclusions.
A food can no longer be truly tested for the source of bacteria after it's been found in a garbage container, and certainly cannot be called "organic" anymore.
The corporate-dominated TV media in the U.S.A. is spreading propanganda, fait accompli, that "organic sprouts" are to blame. This is consistent with the American Agribusiness and FrankenFood Industry's enduring campaign of continually trying to put "Organic" and "E.Coli" in the same sentence.
The farm was inspected and found to be spotless.
In addition to the rarity of disease caused by this particular strain, there is the resistance of it to multiple antibiotics, including recently introduced drugs unlikely to be used in agriculture because of their cost. In general, antibiotic resistance is the result of widespread inappropriate use of antibiotics. However, the routine use of antibiotics in farm animals in Europe ended in 2006, and studies of outpatient (human) antibiotic usage in Europe have repeatedly shown that greatest use is in southern Europe and least in the north where this outbreak has occurred.
So, we have an outbreak of food-borne illness linked to organic bean sprouts locally grown without the use of manure, with a bacterial strain unusual in many ways. This does not make sense. Some will suggest bioterrorism using a laboratory-produced bacterial strain, considering the possible Korea link and the antibiotic resistance. But this does not make sense either; 1) it would make more sense to use a more common STEC such as O157, and 2) the antibiotic resistance does not make the strain more deadly, as antibiotics are not used in the treatment of the illness, as doing so can precipitate the release of more toxin from the bacteria already present.
Very strange.