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Bavaria has refused to extradite a convicted Nazi war criminal back to the Netherlands, from where he broke out of jail in 1952, Germany's justice ministry said Wednesday.
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If the Germans will not extradite him ,why is he not on trial in Germany ?.
We criticize the U.S. for not agreeing to sent their people to trials outside the U.S. so what is different ?.
@jeeves42 I think William Thirteen means that Bavaria has a name as a Nazi stronghold which has old SS servicemens clubs and stong right wing parties.
Ingolstadt! why i am not surprised...
i think the real scandal here is the decision to honor Hitler's promise to grant all SS members German citizenship. It would be interesting to see a geographic distribution of all these former foreign SS members...
"Why do Holocaust survivors' descendents have influence in the international affairs of another nation's justice system? If Germany bends to this "pressure", it will be implying that anyone with a grievance can change the focus of the law itself."
Justice system -German is allowing a law by Hitler to override a European arrest warrent, There would be no Holocaust survivors' descendents if there had been no Holocaust perpetrated by Klaas Carel Faber and his cohorts.Time can't be allowed to detract from what they did.
Is that about right?
Have to agree with Flint's viewpoint. Looks a bit like double-speak from the Germans.
There is no rational law that exists here to hold war criminals accountable.
And German citizens have the audacity to think that the US was wrong in shooting Bin Laden???? At least he was not given a chance to ESCAPE and then find refuge in GERMANY.
Good God Germany, we put an end to Hitler and YOU can't even hold war criminals accountable. And, you then think you are righteous in judging those who are willing to do your dirty work.
GET REAL!!!!!!
6 million dead, that's why...
I simply object to ALL members of the SS (especially the army units of the SS) to be accused of 'mass murder', when most likely the majority were were teenage boys drafted to fight against Germany's opponents during a war. Hatred for Nazis gets in the way of good judgement. Some people need scape goats for their irrational hate, instead of considering more important points, like why did this happen? How can we prevent this from happening again?
@Englishted - What, Farbel is responsible for perpetrating the holocaust? Give me a break! There WOULD be a trial, except they don't have enough evidence. That's why he hasn't been extradicted. Try and see it from both sides before pointing fingers.
Under this concept, a German citizen could travel to Belgium, murder a whole city of people, and if he made it back to Germany, could not be extradited to stand for his crimes. Sorry, but at some point that "legal technicality" seems a farce.
In this case, however, there are two farces. The first is the recognition that Hitler granted blanket citizenship, a power he did not have legally. The second is that that action becomes the basis to harbor a criminal fairly convicted of multiple murders.
Sadly this reminds me that until very recently people like Sophie Stoll, her brother, and the other members of White Rose were still officially criminals within Germany, and regarded as such. While I admire much of what Germany has accomplished, both long ago and more recently, I struggle with something like this. I think the law needs to be changed.
wa
Clean your own house first.
Why do you say Hitler didn't have the authority to grant citizenship? Countries do it all the time: the British in Hong Kong, the Americans in Vietnam...
It sounds like this guy was lucky. There now is a treaty between all European countries making moving those accused of crimes across borders easier. However, according to the article, this guy was arrested and went through a deportation hearing which effectively cleared him long before this law came along. I guess either the no-retro-active-laws or the double-jeopardy rules save him.
However, before being too critical of Germany, remember that America is still protecting Warren Anderson from a legally issued arrest warrant to answer questions concerning his part in the deaths of 15,000 and the injuring of half a million in India.
Secondly, it is German law being questioned here, not that of the Netherlands.
Thirdly, Bin Laden's extra-judicial killing is irrelevant to this argument. Apologists for US actions will have to try harder, I think.
Lastly, this report undoes the considerable efforts that go into continuing countering the Nazi past and atonement for their actions. The bigger picture people!
@Englishted - What, Farbel is responsible for perpetrating the holocaust? Give me a break! There WOULD be a trial, except they don't have enough evidence.
LOOK :"Faber, a member of a Nazi SS unit, was sentenced to death by a Dutch court in 1947 for murdering 22 Jews in the occupied Netherlands during World War II although this was later commuted to life imprisonment.."
I think as a member of a SS unit he did participate in the Holocaust,now, unless I'm wrong there was a trial in 1947.
You ask me to see it from both sides ,what sides are these? ,my side thinks that if a man murdered 22 people had a trial was found guilty and sent to prison from where he escaped to a neighbouring country there he was sheltered and allowed to live out his life as a freeman is Wrong !!
Your side say what?
You are correct that other countries have granted citizen under exceptional conditions, however, to my knowledge (which I admit may not include all occurrences) it was always done with two important elements.
The first is that the person granting citizenship had the legislative power to do so, and followed the rules for doing it. Germany had such rules in place at that time, but Hitler simply ignored them and did what he pleased. We could "argue" the validity of the emergency decree, but that's really beyond the point.
The second is that the person receiving citizenship has applied through the accepted process, and been cleared of any outstanding issues. Again, Germany had such a process, but it wasn't used. Membership in the SS was the only requirement, and many of the recipients didn't even know it had happened.
None of this justifies any other country, the US included, from failing to deal with legitimate requests for extradition. The US frequently struggles because others won't send suspects to the US where they might face capital punishment. I understand that, and happen to agree. Usually the US must take that option off the table, which is fine. In other cases, countries don't respond because they have fears the suspect won't get a "fair trial."
Obviously that whole idea is subject to opinions, and I seldom have enough information to make a good case one way or the other. However, I must admit that sometimes the "fair trial" notion seems valid. I watched a bit of the trial of Knox in Italy, and regardless of her guilt, that trial was a travesty of justice. They pretty much made it up on the fly.
No, the US is not perfect, but this man was tried in a reasonably fair setting, found guilty, escaped, and then located. We can agree or disagree with the sentence, but I think this one is different.
wa