February 10, 2012
Published: 30 May 10 12:00 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20100530-27527.html
German consumer protection minister Ilse Aigner says that internet giant Google could face "more than 50,000" lawsuits in Germany because of its controversial virtual photo service Street View.
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People's privacy is routinely compromised by private industry and the government, with cameras at every lighted intersection to catch people who roll through red lights, cameras along the highway to catch speeders, surveillance cameras in all S-Bahn stations, Bahnhofs, airports, hotels, department stores and public squares. No one is immune to public and private surveillance in Germany.
And England is worse. You can't go 50 feet in London without being on camera. I suggest that people lighten up on Google. It is one of the few tech companies that is actually providing a public service, and at no cost to the user.
Please get over yourself.
Yours Sincerely,
-- The Internet.
But to make this interesting....let Google turn off it's entire mapping ability for any request within the border or IP of Germany. When you click on it....just have a "happy face" come up.
And the next time the German chief of consumer protection wants to make a stupid comment....instead of 50,000 law suites......make it 500,000 instead. Just remember....ANY profit a guy makes off any of this....is taxable. Think about that for a moment.
But German law is a very different animal. I am curious about whether similar legal mechanisms exist here, and if so, what their criteria are.
The whole issue is ludicrous, in my view.
I have noticed that if you have money you are pron to much more lawsuits than the common man. Poor poor Google.
Another big factor is that people like Aigner just don't understand how to use and maintain their usage of the internet. A "Pew Internet & American Life Project" Survey showed that 71% of 20-29yo's actively maintain their Facebook in regards to privacy, tags etc. whereas only 55% of those 50-64.
Aigner and those that think alike her are asking for a nanny-state policies/laws just because they don't understand. I do recognise that it's easy for someone like me to say that since I did grow up with the internet (albeit a generation prior to "the online generation" that had a laptop with their milk bottle), but then again it isn't that difficult.
My simple answer to people like Aigner is: If you are afraid and not willing to educate yourself- Stop using the internet.
I like Google but like most of us here in Germany, we do not want them doing this. It is their right to oppose it regardless of the reasons. and I am sure the reasons are quite divers...
In any case, how are you or is anyone legally "damaged" by Google's conduct? That is the first question to be asked when assessing the viability of any lawsuit, let alone 50,000 of them.
No, let's cast our minds back to the 80s and early 90s. An extremely dominant force emerged within operating systems - Microsoft. Their business practices basically followed the Harvard business teachings "Identify your market and dominate it." Welcome to the world of capitalism.
People rallied against this domination and the rest is history. Fast forward to today and we see Google dominating the Search arena and putting its feelers out to dominate the entire web. We now see the same kind of law suits being levelled against them.
You make a good point about Microsoft. I'm sure you're also aware that Microsoft has a built-in "back door" in its operating systems that allows Microsoft AND law enforcement the ability to access all the information on your computer. Every time you "phone home" to Microsoft by installing one of their never-ending updates, you are compromising your own internet security. Google collected some random data by accident. Microsoft collects usable, comprehensive data deliberately and uses it. Where's the public outcry against Microsnot?
There was indeed a public outcry at the time when Windows 95 came out. This was the first version to include this phone home "functionality".
The system sent (I have no idea if this is still the case) various details about your system which Microsoft claimed was to help in discovering pirated software - and highly likely also for marketing purposes. I doubt very much this information was given to or could legally be given to Law Enforcement Agencies without due legal process.
This is not the only outcry raised against Microsoft and not all of them have had grounding - and that is my point. Google is being seen as the new Microsoft and because of this, any excuse is being taken to damage the company. This seems to me to be the real reason behind the current attacks on Google.
For the record BTW, I work for Microsoft - albeit through an acquisition. The company I was working for was bought by Microsoft in 2008.
I agree that there are probably ulterior motives behind the attacks on Google because it is beginning to monopolize the search engine market. I'm not using "monopolize" in the legal definition of the term, as there are several competitors in the marketplace. But Google delivers a superior product and is growing expansively, which could account for attempts to bring it down. Ever since Google squared off against the Chinese government, these efforts seem to have intensified. Any nexus would be sheer conjecture on my part, however.
As for Microsoft, I seem to recall (vaguely, I admit) some revelation that Microsoft agreed to give the US government a "key" to its back door as part of its settlement of the government's antitrust suit that went on for years. As for due process, that went out the window (no pun intended) with the Bush administration and the enactments of Patriot Acts I and II. When it comes to US government snooping, due process is a legal fiction.
Also, Microsoft uses some of the information it collects from your computer to detect software piracy, as well as for commercial gain. Microsoft passes a lot of this information on to the Business Software Alliance, a strong-arm group that goes after suspected users of unlicensed software with a sophisticated shakedown/extortion scheme, demanding large sums of money from small businesses that it accuses without foundation of using illegal software. I sued the BSA for civil racketeering several years ago and they quickly settled, but they haven't curtailed their extortionate practices.
I have no beef with Google, but I have a major bone to pick with Microsoft and BSA.
It may well be that Microsoft surrendered access to the data for a legal settlement - it would have happened before we were bought so it wouldn't have been of great interest to me. The idea of due process being a legal fiction for the US government espeially after Bush ... point also taken. My naivety and faith in human nature coming to the fore.
I was aware that Microsoft use the gathered information for anti-piracy means and also marketing, but I was not aware of how they went about it.
I still stand by my original post that I beleive this is an attack on Google just to attack Google. (Please note despite having been bought by Microsoft that does not automatically make me a Google hater as hopefully my original post shows)
I never thought you were a Google hater. And I agree that this attack on Google makes no sense other than to attack Google. I just keep looking for the ulterior motive, as that is a product of my training and cynicism. Somebody's trying to bring Google down, and I don't know exactly why unless it is a competitor with governmental influence.
Remember the NSA has invested heavily into Google R&D. I'd be more than happy if they shared their tech (patented of course) with other governments to ensure the safety and privacy of our citizens, but as we are right now the whole world (except China obviously) are walking into the great Google mindtrap.
Google: "Don't be evil"
The implications suggested by that comment are a little misleading. Google and the NSA are collaborating to determine ways to prevent cyberattacks such as those launched by China. You seem to be suggesting that the NSA is investing money into Google R&D to somehow enlist Google to spy on citizens. If my inference is incorrect, please feel free to clarify what you mean by "the great Google mindtrap."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/03/AR2010020304057.html
The fact remains, Google is American (no doubt you are, thus your Google love in without a care for the blindingly obvious privacy concerns) - no doubt most have been swayed by the lure of convenience that Google has provided with its (mostly) free services, and that is why most are willing to turn a blind eye to their privacy in return. Meanwhile Google, and by proxy the US Government, can garner all the data of foreign countries it wants to, under the image of the wholesome, innocent Google.
If you owned one of the appartments in The Local's picture above, would you feel the same way?
If not, then why is it different for google?
if so, then I can't help you, you really are paranoid
Street View is available in Norway, too.