February 9, 2012
Published: 25 Mar 10 15:40 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20100325-26127.html
Holocaust scholars on Thursday attacked a bid to include images of kissing lesbians in a monument dedicated to the thousands of homosexuals persecuted by the Nazis, saying it distorted history.
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an interesting side note
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aim%C3%A9e_&_Jaguar
Well, to be honest I personally wouldn't give a damn! But then thats just me...
But, my sociopathy aside, what does sexual orientation have to do with rape?!
Being physically sexually/violently violated is immoral (according to contemporary social convention, and generally frowned upon based on what I understand to to be commonly accepted norms of human interaction...) regardless of which way you swing!
I have come to realize that liberlism equals immorality.
And sooner or later, it's going to send Germany down another dark road.
The ladies were persecuted, but not persecuted enough for this memorial!
Our groups persecution was worse than your groups persecution!
Or maybe the men are just jealous because perhaps lesbians could get out of it by laying back and counting the cracks on the ceiling.
This is all so atrocious and stupid.
I vote they have lesbian dwarves kissing, as both lesbians and dwarves were persecuted.
Do we need to single out certain people who were victims of the Holocaust? Didn't all suffer equally from this atrosity?
I think wxman says all that needs to be said. Amen to that!
This typifies the hate speech coming from the American evangelical right wing, the same "conservative" morons who vigorously (and sometimes violently) attempted unsuccessfully to deny health insurance to 32 million Americans, the same folks who don't believe gays deserve the same rights as other citizens, the same knuckleheads who advocate murdering doctors who perform abortions and politicians who work for social equality. This is the vile mantra of Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and Tony Perkins. This is the primary tenet of fascism, the kool-aid for the illiterati. This hateful, incendiary rhetoric has no place in the American discourse, and certainly none in Germany, which has already lived its tragic consequences. Whoever makes such remarks is a disgrace to all humanity.
And it seems to me that you're another knuckle-dragging, antisemitic Holocaust denier. There's a reason that no other "proven" historical event receives such special status. Can you possibly imagine what that reason is?
Not much of a believer in free spreech are you? To question the painting of a whole nation of people is being a "denyer"? To question the motives of a group of people with a HUGE financial incentive to air greivences is being a denyer?
Au contraire, pal. I'm a firm believer in free speech. I believe that everyone has the right to demonstrate his ignorance through his speech, and to prove to one and all through his words that he is a knuckle-dragging, antisemitic Holocaust denier.
That said, as you claim to be a US citizen, you have probably heard that even in the US there are limits to the free speech protections of the First Amendment, hate speech being notable among them. Your screed comes close to crossing that line. But far be it from me to stop you from making a damn fool of yourself in this forum.
I'm as friendly and polite as anyone else in this world.
And no one cares about humanity as much as I do.
The truth is, such a thing is not possible.
Words mean something. You wrote: "Why must Jews promote laws in the European countries that criminalize the questioning of their version of the Holocaust tale? No other "proven" historical event receives such special status, nor does truth fear investigation."
Your use of the term "their version of the Holocaust tale" and the quotation marks you inserted around the word "proven" when referring to this historical event betray you as a Holocaust denier. The Holocaust is not a "tale," which connotes fiction, but rather a fact of one of the most heinous atrocities of modern history. No rational person would deny that it happened. No rational person would suggest that it is unproven by enclosing the word "proven" in quotation marks. That is the dead giveaway that you are a Holocaust denier. As such, you are perforce not rational.
The laws you refer to were probably intended to dissuade revisionist nazi cretins from rewriting history so as to prevent a recurrence of such an atrocity. If that violates your tortured concept of free speech, that's just too bad. There is all too much hate speech polluting the air these days, and that speech has consequences. As I stated, I support your right to make a fool of yourself with your writing. You would be well advised, however, not to say those things to me personally or to many people I know. But then cowards would never have the balls to do that, would they?
Fortunately, the site editor/moderator zapped the comments made by the forum participant who calls himself "US citizen". The Local does not need to tolerate Holocaust revisionism or insults made against a single ethnic group.
It seems to me a trifle wierd that an academic would completely miss the point concerning memorialising the plight and persecution of homosexuality (independent of sex) under the Dritte Reich.
The reason is simple, people much prefer to see women kissing than men; two women = erotic, two men = vulgar.
Same thing then, same thing now. Queen Victoria never persecuted Lesbians either, but gay men were sent to prison for hard labor, their lives destroyed as a public spectacle.
To distort and forget our history dooms us to repeat it, so maybe next time when they come for the gays first again maybe this time they can go after the Lesbians too so afterward it will make sense to have another Holocaust memorial but this time it could accurately include both genders.