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Petition forces Bavarian smoking ban referendum

Published: 3 Dec 09 14:22 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20091203-23699.html

Organisers of a petition for a referendum to strengthen Bavaria’s porous smoking ban are celebrating on Thursday, as preliminary results show they exceeded the amount of necessary signatures by several hundred thousand.

“We’re all sitting in a Bavarian restaurant and keep looking at the numbers in disbelief,” initiative spokesperson Sofie Langmeier told The Local on Thursday. “We are just incredibly happy. Someone said last night that it was the same feeling as the World Cup.”

The petition required 940,000 signatures, or 10 percent of the southern German state’s population, to force a popular vote. That figure was surpassed by more than 350,000 to make up almost 14 percent, according to preliminary results published on Thursday morning.

More than 2,000 anti-smoking advocates got the word out in a final push that brought long lines of supporters out to sign the petition across the state on Wednesday night.

“The last two days of such a vote are always the most intense,” Langmeier said. “The line in central Munich went from the main entrance of City Hall all the way to the Marienplatz train station – around the block.”

The measure, undertaken by the Ecological Democratic Party (ÖDP) and supported by the centre-left Social Democrats, the Greens and other ecological and athletic organisations, aims to roll back the more liberal implementation of the state's general smoking ban that went into effect on August 1.

The current, more relaxed law allows adult smokers in pubs smaller than 75 square metres, in addition to restaurants and beer tents that create smoking sections in side rooms.

While the legislation has been heavily criticised by anti-smoking advocates, many in the state were in favour of dropping the ban completely. But according to the petition results reported on Thursday, there is also a substantial will to force the ban back to its original, stricter incarnation, which bans smoking in all public spaces.

Once official petition results are released on December 21, the state parliament must decide whether to pass a new law or put it to a referendum vote. Most experts expect the latter.

Meanwhile the Association for the Preservation of Bavarian Tavern Culture (VEBWK), which focused on fighting the smoking ban initiative, said it was disappointed in the petition results.

“A societal division now looms,” VEBWK head Franz Bergmüller told broadcaster Antenne Bayern, reflecting the views of many die-hard smokers in Bavaria who see lighting up as a fundamental right and integral part of their southern German culture.

But according to Langmeier, this is hardly the case.

“I am deeply convinced that this will not happen,” she said, adding that many smokers signed the petition too. “It’s an experience we all have in our circle of friends. Some are smokers and there’s a discussion about it, but none of us have been able to confirm that it’s a divisive factor.”

Initiative supporters plan to meet soon to discuss their move in effecting the next step of their fight for a smoke-free Bavaria.

“We’re not sure yet what our new strategy will be, today we decided we would celebrate first,” Langmeier said.

Smoking was banned in bars and restaurants in most German states starting January 1, 2008, the restrictions have been widely flouted and legal exceptions in many states have also weakened the smoking ban.

External link: Official preliminary results »

Kristen Allen (kristen.allen@thelocal.de)

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15:10 December 3, 2009 by YorkshireLad6
Organisers of a petition for a referendum to strengthen Bavaria's porous smoking ban are celebrating on Thursday, as preliminary results show they…
"Preliminary results"?

2 hours before publication of this article the official result was 1,298,746 signatures (13.9%)
15:21 December 3, 2009 by Hasilein
Um, if you look at the link provided to the results, you will see they are defined as the "Vorläufiges Ergebnis," which means PRELIMINARY RESULTS.
15:24 December 3, 2009 by Portnoy
Preliminary or official it's just awesome that non-smokers finally have a say.
16:00 December 3, 2009 by UrbanAngel
Hasilein, it doesn't sound like YL6 is trying to correct any translation of the German. He is pointing out that official results were already published 2 hours before The Local's article, so why is The Local only publishing preliminary results when the official ones are already out there?
16:03 December 3, 2009 by Hazza
"The line in central Munich went from the main entrance of City Hall all the way to the Marienplatz train station - around the block."
Thanks for deleting the bit where I pointed out that the city hall isn't "several blocks from Marienplatz train station". It might have been OK if you hadn't completely botched the correction too.

Just for the next correction - City Hall is almost directly above Marienplatz train station. It's not a block away, it's not around the corner, either - and when you look at pics of the event, nobody was queueing down the stairs...
16:10 December 3, 2009 by Owain Glyndwr
i think in one picture it shows the queue going round the corner to Weinstrasse. It is almost one block to the Marienhof entrance to the Marienplatz Ubahn station, which is currently a building site (i think)
16:11 December 3, 2009 by Hazza
Yes, well if they'd written that, then it would have been accurate...
16:13 December 3, 2009 by Gen
Here's that picture of the queue that I posted before and which got deleted...

(attached image)

The corner of that queue is where the SBahn and UBahn station are. One of the several entrances all around the Rathaus.
16:14 December 3, 2009 by YorkshireLad6
Hasilein, it doesn't sound like YL6 is trying to correct any translation of the German. He is pointing out that official results were already publ…
Precisely - thank you.

"The Local - Germany"s (old) news in English"
16:21 December 3, 2009 by The Local Germany
Thanks for your input UrbanAngel and Hazza.

According to the Bavarian statistics office, the final results won't be published until December 21.

"Nach Prüfung der Eintragungslisten wird der Landeswahllausschuss in seiner Sitzung am Montag, den 21. Dezember 2009, um 14:00 Uhr im Landesamt für Statistik und Datenverarbeitung, Neuhauser Str. 8, 80331 München, das endgültige Ergebnis feststellen."

See today's press release here:

http://www.statistik.bayern.de/pressemitteilungen/archiv/2009/VoB/1_2009.php

The last results to be published at 11:45 am today are therefore technically still preliminary, as labelled on the statistics office page.

Regarding the reported inaccuracy of the distance between the Rathaus and the Marienplatz station, that information comes from a direct quotation. Journalists have to be careful not to put words in a source's mouth while translating. But it's clear that she obviously meant around the block of the building itself - and we have changed the quotation to reflect this.

Hope this clears things up.
16:26 December 3, 2009 by Keydeck
Regarding the reported inaccuracy of the distance between the Rathaus and the Marienplatz station, that information comes from a direct quotation. Jou…
Not yet you haven't...

"The line in central Munich went from the main entrance of City Hall all the way to the Marienplatz train station - around the block."

Why not simply say "The line in central Munich went from the main entrance of City Hall and stretched around the block". Mentioning Marienplatz at all (given that's where City Hall is) is daft.
16:36 December 3, 2009 by Gen
I wonder if the German originally said the line stretched to the Marienhof UBahn entrance? Which is the back side of the Rathaus, but it's still the Marienplatz Haltestelle.
16:44 December 3, 2009 by YorkshireLad6
The last results to be published at 11:45 am today are therefore technically still preliminary...
While the officially announced results are subject to ratification, they are also very precise, and certainly more detailed that the figures you are quoting ("exceeded by .. several hundred thousand.", "surpassed by more than 350,000..", so an hardly an article written the in the best journalistic traditions....
16:45 December 3, 2009 by Small Town Boy
Am I alone in not caring how long the queue was?
17:02 December 3, 2009 by RainKing
No.
17:11 December 3, 2009 by clickety6
Am I alone in not caring how long the queue was?
Or are you not alone in not caring how long the queue wasn't ?
17:56 December 3, 2009 by snowbird
A referendum???

No!

"Most of the people voting in a referendum are not the people who regularly support the bars and restaurants day in and day out. Why should these people make the decisions that should be made by the owners, staffs, and patrons about using a legal product on private property?"

http://thetruthisalie.com

http://citizensfreedomalliance.org
20:45 December 3, 2009 by robertingermany
Maybe I can again enjoy a nice restaurant evening in Munich with my wife and not have to worry about eyes hurting after a half hour and having to have our clothes drycleaned the next day to remove the cigarette residue. Here's hoping!!
20:12 December 4, 2009 by Johnny Cash
I have no problem with smokers blowing the byproduct of their habit all over me if they have no problem with me urinating all over them in their hair , their clothes and in their mouths and eyes as that is the byproduct of my drinking habit. We drinkers have had to go to a special room to offload our effluent way too long and I for one are sick of the inconvienience. More freedom for drinkers.
22:28 December 7, 2009 by coyote3000
Thank you Johnny Cash. That really made my day.
21:17 February 22, 2010 by eurovol
Could we not start a petition against the GEZ fees?
09:57 February 23, 2010 by Clapoti
be my guest
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