May 17, 2012
Published: 2 Nov 09 08:09 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20091102-22963.html
A organization representing German police officers has called for a ban on biker gangs, following a weekend of violence between the Hells Angels and Bandidos, daily Rheinische Post reported.
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Politically-speaking, you are correct. However, from a tactical and law-enforcement perspective you couldn't be more wrong. The tools, tactics, and mechanisms exist. The problem is that the only way to bring down OC syndicates is thru the use of some very Stasi-like methods which is unpalatable to the political establishment....
Hyper-Intelligent comments !
Ban on biker gangs? What is that going to change? We have a few gangs in New Zealand as well, also the worst aren't really biker gangs but ethnically orientated patch-wearing brawlers who are involved in all levels of crime, but we have quite a few biker gangs here who could be counted as belonging to the 1%M.C. category, meaning they are the 1% part of all Motorcyle Clubs that is involved in crime.
A ban on gangs wearing ensignia and patches is yet to be legislated in full here, as it will have to happen in other countries.
But why should the other 99% of bikers be hassled by the law-enforcement(and that's going to happen for sure) even if these 99% are in general law-obiding citizens who just look a bit apart from the rest of the sheep, namely by wearing leathers!?
All nonsense I would say, gangs will organize themselves with or without patches, flags and openly confessing their loyalty to a certain group of people, so what does this word "ban" actually supposed to be !? Nobody can "ban" something that's in peoples minds and in their social behavior, it can only be made illegal and if that's gonna change anything ! What a bunch of "out-of-touch-with-reality" bunch of idiots can actually believe in that idea !? I certainly don't !
The real bikers are all very proud of who and what they are so they have large colorful insignia "Patches". They are out on Front Street where everyone can see them.
Here in the USA the various federal agencies have massive propaganda budgets and they would shame Herr Goebbels. these agencies export there tactics to every other country.
Look into your news papers and you will see that the Motorcycle Clubs are painted as racist white power groups. Then check with the people that really track racist groups; like Klan Watch of the Southern Poverty Law Center; and they will tell you that it is untrue. These same "feds" go to the racists and tell them that the Motorcycle Clubs are Race Traitors.
The propaganda says that Motorcycle Clubs are "Organized Crime" and "International Drug Cartels". that these problems are all over money and turf for making more money.
If it is true show me where the convictions are? Every time you see a "Big Bust" it is for a string of petty offenses that the undercover agents bring to the members.
Look at the attacks on the Bandidos, the Gremium, the Outlaws and the Hells Angles by the SEK where they storm clubhouses during parties and put everyone face down into the snow with their hands tied behind their backs for hours on end. What do they find after they have vandalized the Clubhouses? Nothing. Some ball bats, some individuals' personal drugs for the evening that they threw down, and on a rare occasion a gun or knife.
Where are the slaves, the hordes of drugs and money? All you see is what their propaganda department sends out to the press. The Motorcycle Clubs never get an answer because no asks them first. The cops get the first say and they have professional liars to say it.
@mikesmithonepercenter: dude, I appreciate your argument, and to a certain degree you are absolutely right. That said, there ARE a plethora of biker gangs that most certainly are involved in criminal activity that harms society as a whole (and yeah, they ruin it for all the groups that want nothing more than to be left alone to ride their bikes and get tore up at their local watering hole).
Yes, cops/gov't have the first say. I mean, you don't arrest people and then ask them whether they think they deserve to be arrested or not...
You have made my point. The propaganda folks have you convinced that I messed it up for you. Now if I am a criminal how does that mess it up for you? What logic gives the SEK the right to put their jack boot against your neck if you've done nothing wrong. We moved past that thing about all black people can tap dance years ago. So if some bikers are criminals are all bikers criminals? How is the leap made to hold water? The man or woman that smokes pot is committing a crime. They really don't think of it like that but they are. the person that sold them that pot is no more a criminal than they are. Crime is crime and its toll on society is all the same.
Every year more cops are busted committing crimes than bikers but are they under the microscope? NO and they control what the media sees of it so it gets soft pedalled in the press. Most cases the cops are allowed to resign "for the good of the Department".
If there is probable cause for an arrest then an arrest should be made without an argument. I never said different.
When bikers get harassed or busted they rarely get a say AFTER THE FACT.