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Teen apologises for murder in Munich S-Bahn

Published: 15 Sep 09 10:53 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090915-21931.html

One of the teens involved in the brutal beating death of a 50-year-old man at a Munich S-Bahn stop on over the weekend has asked for the family’s forgiveness, daily tz reported on Tuesday.

“He regrets the act deeply and cannot explain how it could come to such a black-out,” the lawyer of 18-year-old Markus S. told the Munich-based paper on his behalf.

Meanwhile his 17-year-old accomplice Sebastian L.’s lawyer said his client also expressed remorse for beating the man to death.

“I didn’t want him to die,” he told his lawyer.

Both young men are accused of murder for beating businessman Dominik B. at the Solln S-Bahn stop after he tried to protect a group of four youths who were being bullied by the two teens on the train on Saturday afternoon.

Police said that the 17- and 18-year-olds had been threatening and demanding money from a group of younger teenagers at an S-Bahn station before following them onto a train, where Dominik B. intervened.

He called police on his mobile phone and offered to leave the train with the children to make sure they were safe.

As they left the train at the Solln train station, Markus S. and Sebastian L. followed the man and attacked him. They hit and kicked Dominik S. some 22 times within just a few minutes. The children who had exited the train with the man attempted to stop the attackers unsuccessfully, according to state prosecutors. He died of his injuries in a nearby hospital a few hours later.

Police said Monday they had arrested a third suspect, 17-year-old Christoph T., for allegedly initiating threats against the group of children after they refused to give the older teens €15. He is accused of extortion. Witnesses also reported seeing him hit the group of children twice. The teen allegedly boarded a different train while his friends followed the younger children onto another – where they encountered their middle-aged victim.

“Especially disturbing about the incident is that the man did everything right,” public prosecutor Laurent Lafleur told news agency DPA on Monday.

All three of the teens in police custody have had brushes with the law in the past due to theft, assault and extortion. Two of the accused also reportedly suffer from substance addiction.

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#1
11:07 September 15, 2009 by design
seems to me the train conductors could have taken more responsibility and helped protect the kids or the man. I do not buy their apology. Hard guys on the train and after the fact theya re sorry . they should rot in jail as adults. Typical Bavarian white trash!
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#2
12:39 September 15, 2009 by lamontia
I agree they should rot in jail. I think Germany should remeber this when discussing how to deal with "child" offenders (as I beieve both will be considered). As for "Bavarian white trash"´- people like this exist in just about every major town in every major country - so I'm not sure the generalisation is accurate.
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#3
12:58 September 15, 2009 by neverforget
"Typical Bavarian white trash" - well, well. I am not a fan of generalisation! Don't forget that things like that can happen anywhere anytime.

Sure, they do have to be prosecuted suitably.

I just cannot understand that you have to face your own death when you just want to help others that way.
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#4
13:11 September 15, 2009 by striderbergman
man these gimps blew out and gave up on life, they had their chance so i say spend the $1.25 on a bullet and finish the job eh jail is far to expensive to keep people like this in, it costs more to keep these people in jail than som elaw abiding people earn.
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#5
13:57 September 15, 2009 by LMFAO
¦quot;Especially disturbing about the incident is that the man did everything right,¦quot;

Huh. I guess I have a different definition of "doing everything right".

As a rule of thumb, it doesn't include confronting deranged & violent psychopaths or breaking up fights.
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#6
17:15 September 15, 2009 by ironman294
What a bunch of shiheads, sure I didn't mean for him to die, just after 22 blows I expected him just to you know just have a few lumps.

Since European countries have light sentences they wil get 1 month in jail and counseling to help them re-adjust to the cruel world of German justice.
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#7
17:33 September 15, 2009 by lecturenotes2009
luckily, both murderers are germans.. nope... it's germany anyway.. if the two murderers were turkish than it would have been a national wide headline. funny.. funny.. funny...yeahh...
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#8
17:36 September 15, 2009 by katekatekoala
Oh, WELL, then. If they apologize, then that's fine. Guess we can just move on and drop the charges now.
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#9
17:42 September 15, 2009 by sarabyrd
Since European countries have light sentences they wil get 1 month in jail and counseling to help them re-adjust to the cruel world of German justice.…
You don't follow such trials much, judging by your response. In Munich the kids got 8.5 and 12 years for attempted murder, in Nuremberg the kid got 5 years for attempted manslaughter. Thing is, with these guys it's not a question of re-adjusting, it's the problem that they have to be socialized in the first place.

In the present case, the guy died. The attack was unexpected and of base motives, the kids were willing to accept that the victim could die. No way they'll get convicted of manslaughter.

*I hope I don't have to eat my words a year from now*
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#10
17:43 September 15, 2009 by perdido
Typical Bavarian white trash!
Says the man who does not list his/her nationality.
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#11
17:59 September 15, 2009 by BattalionBoy
I am amazed this happened in the leafy geriatric suburb Solln of all places. I thought the only danger there was to be bored to death.
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18:10 September 15, 2009 by bal00
luckily, both murderers are germans.. nope... it's germany anyway.. if the two murderers were turkish than it would have been a national wide head…
And it isn't now??
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21:13 September 15, 2009 by eddymanly
In Munich the kids (with immigrant background) got 8.5 and 12 years for injuring a retiree (It was a national big news).

In Achen, a german guy KILLED a chinese girl by pushing her into railway, he has got 10 years of jail (no report in major newspaper).

Can you see the difference between these two cases.

what lecturenotes2009 said is 100% right.
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#14
21:17 September 15, 2009 by Chrisimo
In Achen, a german guy KILLED a chinese girl by pushing her into railway, he has got 10 years of jail (no report in major newspaper).
Sure, only Spiegel, Stern, Welt, Zeit, FAZ, Sueddeutsche, etc. reported about that. Hardy major newspapers
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21:26 September 15, 2009 by Serenajean1
One of the teens involved in the brutal beating death of a 50-year-old man at a Munich S-Bahn stop on over the weekend has asked for the family's …
Biggest load of crap I have ever heard. I am sorry I highly doubt the kid though he didn't want to hurt him as he kicked his head in. Germany needs a death penalty and these little shits first in line.
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#16
21:27 September 15, 2009 by Lavender Rain
I don't even know why this is considered newsworthy that they apologized?

This doesn't lessen the pain for the victim's family and because of the heinous nature of their crime, in my opinion, their apology doesn't even make the perpetrators appear to be more humane.
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#17
22:32 September 15, 2009 by LeonG
Yeah, somehow it doesn't really seem realistic for somebody who is capable of kicking a guy to death to come out a couple of days later and say they're sorry and they didn't mean it for it to happen. Obviously they were not sorry while they were doing it and what did they think was going to happen?

Sounds to me like they are apologizing on their lawyers advice to try to get their sentence cut.
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03:15 September 16, 2009 by ibth123
The only thing they are sorry about is spending time in jail not for killing a guy. They didn't think twice about beating him to death.
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04:08 September 16, 2009 by ThePieman
?"Especially disturbing about the incident is that the man did everything right,?"

Huh. I guess I have a different definitio…
I saw on German TV recently that if you do not intervene when someone is desperately in need of help (e.g. being attacked) and just stand watching, that you could go to prison for up to a year...

Can anyone confirm this?
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#20
08:04 September 16, 2009 by miwild
German Criminal Code - Section 323c
Omission to effect an easy rescue

Whosoever does not render assistance during accidents or a common danger or emergency although it is nece…
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#21
08:07 September 16, 2009 by Steven192
Known as Unterlassene Hilfeleistung.

Found a nice little wiki page in English about it. Not only in Germany it seems

http://en.wikipedia..../Duty_to_rescue

Beaten to it again. Getting slow
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09:09 September 16, 2009 by toko
luckily, both murderers are germans.. nope... it's germany anyway.. if the two murderers were turkish than it would have been a national wide head…
Idiot. It's not only a nation wide headline, it's a topic that will last for a while.

Get the Bild Zeitung today.
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#23
09:09 September 16, 2009 by long-haul
Feeling sorry? Bullshit.

They should be behind bars for life under rigerous imprisonment.
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#24
09:18 September 16, 2009 by Owain Glyndwr
I saw on German TV recently that if you do not intervene when someone is desperately in need of help (e.g. being attacked) and just stand watching, th…
there is a thing called "Unterlassene Hilfeleistung" ie not helping when assistance is required but I'm not sure you'd be expected to put your own life on the line for it. The charge is more for a situation like when you see an injured person that requires first aid and you ignore them and carry on by and they then die from the injures. I'm not sure what the sentence would be, though.

edit:

ok, I've found the paragraph:
§ 323c StGB

Unterlassene Hilfeleistung Wer bei Unglücksfällen oder gemeiner Gefahr oder Not nicht Hilfe leistet, obwohl dies er…
ok, so you are not expected to put yourself in danger to help someone. The sentence is up to 1 year or a fine. There are other paragraphs dealing with gross negligence where the sentence is higher.
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09:29 September 16, 2009 by sweetsilence
'I didn't want him to die'....that leaves me speechless. If you don't want someone to die, well, there's an easy solution - don't kick them in the head 20 times? Or is it just because beating someone up is that kid's idea of cool, but killing someone is a lifetime in jail and/or a footnote in his resumé?

The other one broke down straight away, I think, once he sobered up enough to realise what he did, so there could be a chance of his remorse being genuine. However, that doesn't give the guy his life back...
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#26
09:35 September 16, 2009 by BigEnglish2009
It has to be argued if it really is worth all the (taxpayers) expense of keeping these twats in jail for 20 years or more, or just shooting the idiots dead once convicted. Personally, I say shoot them. Although I am not the father of these kids, so it makes my decision is made easy.
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#27
09:38 September 16, 2009 by Owain Glyndwr
'I didn't want him to die'....that leaves me speechless. If you don't want someone to die, well, there's an easy solution - don…
i can see this as a ploy for a defence against the murder charge. Kid says he had no intention of killing the bloke and didn't think his actions would cause death therefore manslaughter and not murder. I hope to some mystical deity that the judges don't fall for it. There is too much of this sort of happening for the law to go soft on them.
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#28
10:14 September 16, 2009 by don_riina
OK, starting on some bloke because he has the balls to stand up to you is not a very good example for what I am about to write, but has anyone here actually ever been in a fight? Let's say for arguments sake, a "righteous" fight?

In fact, let me suggest the following hypothetical situation; I had been at the train station in question, and seen these 2 kids kicking a bloke in the heed. I had stepped in and joined the fight. Adrenalin kicked in. The situation arises where I am atop one of the youths who is now lying on the floor. I raise his head a little by the hair and strike him in the face, causing the back of his head to hit the railway platform with some force.

As a result, the youth dies. Did I mean to kill him? No. Hurt him? Yes, sure, but kill?

The 2 kids in question should not have started being all tough and gansta and thinking they could do what they wanted, and threatening people, and eventually becoming physically violent. No question about that. None atall. They need to be punished (or rehabilitated depending upon your view of the purpose of the criminal justice system)

However, do any of you honestly think that they started kicking the bloke in, with the premeditated malicious intention of actually causing death? I seriously doubt that, I really do. They are bound to apologize once they realise the serious nature of what they've done, and say they did not mean to kill the guy - and loads of people are bound to overreact with opinions like "I hope the judge does not fall for that", but seriously, I sincerely doubt that they really meant to cause death.
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#29
10:26 September 16, 2009 by BigEnglish2009
but seriously, I sincerely doubt that they really meant to cause death.
So, once you have a guy on the ground, unconscious and unable to defend himself would that not be a reasonable point to stop, or maybe just one more kick in the head for good measure! Maybe another kick if he moves or groans, just to be sure, best to be on the safe side! It sounds like there were plenty of opportunites to stop but they continued. They obviously had some intention.

As for any observers or witnesses, in my opinion they played a small part which contributed towards the outcome. I expect some of them will already feel some guilt for their lack of action.
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10:30 September 16, 2009 by Owain Glyndwr
I don't think it is an over-reaction at all, don. The kids acted maliciously and not in support of a victim. They had to know that kicking someone repeatedly in the head is going to cause serious injury or death. This alone is enough, they don't need to prove intent to murder.
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#31
10:48 September 16, 2009 by eddymanly
Sure, only Spiegel, Stern, Welt, Zeit, FAZ, Sueddeutsche, etc. reported about that
Really? I talked to german colleagues, friends and neighbors, no one knows about the case. Oddly enough, everybody knows the case of 2 immigrants injured the retiree.

It is hard to understand, a German who killed an immigrant got 10 years, an immigrant who injured a German retiree got 12 years. LOL....
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#32
10:51 September 16, 2009 by Chrisimo
Really? I talked to german colleagues, friends and neighbors, no one knows about the case. Oddly enough, everybody knows the case of 2 immigrants inju…
Next time use better sources.
It is hard to understand, a German who killed an immigrant got 10 years, an immigrant who injured a German retiree got 12 years. LOL....
It would probably be less hard to understand if you read the court rulings. But that could probably influence your worldview in a way you don't like. The perpetrator got 13.5 year btw, not 10.
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#33
10:53 September 16, 2009 by don_riina
It sounds like there were plenty of opportunites to stop but they continued.
Adrenalin and pack mentality; pumped up, unleashing aggression, it's unlikely that they thought "jolly good I think we've shown him now". Heat of the moment, keep kicking.

I'm not defending their actions, hang them for all I care - but I still question the intent to actually kill. TV teaches you that three guys can beat somebody with baseball bats, and still not kill him. I think almost everybody is a idiot, but surely even the most cranially stunted little idiot knows that topping somebody on a public train platform is going to get you banged up for a long, long time; giving somebody a beating is, as unfortunate as it may be, something you might well be able to get away with with little more than a slap on the wrists. Little fear in doing that in public - but premeditated murder? No way.
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11:01 September 16, 2009 by Owain Glyndwr
like i said Don, there is no need to prove an intent to kill. All they need to show is that the kids must have been aware that their actions would likely have resulted in death, which they did. No-one can seriously claim that they don't think kicking someone repeatedly in the head is likely to cause death.
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11:23 September 16, 2009 by miwild
Definition of murder and manslaughter under the German criminal code ... original German version :[quote]Chapter Sixteen Crimes Against Life

Section 211 Murder

(1) The murderer shall be punished with imprisonment for life.
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11:26 September 16, 2009 by sweetsilence
Really? I talked to german colleagues, friends and neighbors, no one knows about the case. Oddly enough, everybody knows the case of 2 immigrants inju…
Even my Mum knew about this, and she lives up in Lower Saxony. She even knew more details than I did, so it must have been in the news (can't say for sure, as we don't have a telly).

What do you know about the two cases you mention, besides the fact that the immigrant got the higher number of years? Anything about the background of the two convicts, their Vorstrafenregister, perhaps?
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#37
11:29 September 16, 2009 by Krieg
OK, starting on some bloke because he has the balls to stand up to you is not a very good example for what I am about to write, but has anyone here ac…
I was involved in 15 to 20 fights back in my country, some 1 to 1, some many to many, and you are right about adrenaline pumping you and doing things that might end very wrong, things happen so fast that you do not have time to think and everything is pure instinct.

After saying that, I witnessed 2 guys mugging a short guy here in Berlin and they beat him a bit. I got used to the safety in Germany and for the first time in my life I actually panicked and did not do anything, I just froze there looking at the unpleasant events. If this happened to me, a person used to see violence I can understand that it happens to Germans.
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11:40 September 16, 2009 by sweetsilence
but seriously, I sincerely doubt that they really meant to cause death.
I wonder if there is a human equivalent for a 'feeding frenzy' - where one's consciousness stops working and one just carries on hitting, kicking, until one sort of 'wakes up' again and only then realises just how far things have gone?

Perhaps they really didn't mean to kill the man, but he is dead now, and dead because of what they did without any good reason. Isn't that what they really should be sorry for, that they acted in a way which made it necessary for this man to intervene? Have they actually apologised to the teens they harassed and who later on had to stand by and watch a man being killed?
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#39
11:40 September 16, 2009 by red*lemon
Sounds like these guys have enough experience/knowledge with this kind of thing to know it was wrong and dangerous.(earlier dealings with police/courts.. not to mention probably at one point taking pride in being so 'tough'). and it clearly took a victim dying for them to truly be held accountable and for to have a good hard look at themselves.. but then to say 'i didnt want him to die' (no, i just wanted to beat the crap out of him and make him hurt cause i didnt like it when he made me look like a fool) and ask forgiveness?

i would say that just adds pure insult to injury for the family of this man.
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14:22 September 16, 2009 by rsabirami
"In fact, let me suggest the following hypothetical situation; I had been at the train station in question, and seen these 2 kids kicking a bloke in the heed. I had stepped in and joined the fight. Adrenalin kicked in. The situation arises where I am atop one of the youths who is now lying on the floor. I raise his head a little by the hair and strike him in the face, causing the back of his head to hit the railway platform with some force."

As a foreigner, what happens if I try to stop an incident like this and hurt the opponent or strike him that he died unexpectedly. This is also a kinda "Unterlassene Hilfeleistung" to save the victim. How would I be punished and are there any rights to protect the foreigners or germans atleast?
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18:06 September 16, 2009 by Lavender Rain
OK, starting on some bloke because he has the balls to stand up to you is not a very good example for what I am about to write, but has anyone here ac…
I'm trying to see your point here and have some compassion for these young perpetrators. However, when an individual makes a decision to engage in this kind of overtly aggressive, uncivilized, antisocial, and unhumane behavior it's very likely someone is going to get seriously injuried or killed.

Although the perpetrators didn't intend to kill him or they didn't think he would die as a result of kicking him 22 times this shouldn't exonerate them in any way. I think they still should be punished to the full extent of what the law will allow. This crime wouldn't be any less heinous if the victim was left critically injuried, but survived.
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#42
10:57 September 17, 2009 by eddymanly
Next time use better sources.
You should ask your german brothers use better sources, but i am sure they won't find any when the news is negative to Germans.
The perpetrator got 13.5 year btw, not 10.
No. It is 10 years

But, assume it is 13.5 years, killing and injuring (12.5 years) make only 1 year different. Obviously "race" is an important factor for german judge to make decision.

Double standard!
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#43
11:01 September 17, 2009 by Chrisimo
You should ask your german brothers use better sources, but i am sure they won't find any when the news is negative to Germans.
You said that no major newspapers reported about the case, which is wrong. You said your German friends told you that so you should use better sources.
No. It is 10 years
You are wrong again. The sentence is 13.5 years. Again, use better sources and keep up to date (the first sentence has been overruled and is now 13.5)…[/quote]Obviously you haven't read the rulings. But that's no wonder because you don't seem to care. You just want to make accusations about racism.
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11:15 September 17, 2009 by eddymanly
Even my Mum knew about this, and she lives up in Lower Saxony. She even knew more details than I did, so it must have been in the news
LOL, of course it was in the news paper,otherwise i wouldn't know about it. But it was not broadly reported compared to the kid who injured the ol…[/quote]It was a very big news in germany. The german newspaper would surely tell if the two youngster have any criminal records. But it seemed to be no report about that (perhaps u can tell me if they have any). Some politicians even suggested to deport them. Well, it is a good excuse to cut down the number of people with immigrant background
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11:24 September 17, 2009 by Chrisimo
LOL, of course it was in the news paper,otherwise i wouldn't know about it. But it was not broadly reported compared to the kid who injured the ol…
All major newspapers reported about it. They even had updates. If you would look those things up then you would have known that the sentence had been changed to 13.5 years.
It was a very big news in germany. The german newspaper would surely tell if the two youngster have any criminal records. But it seemed to be no repor…
Spiridon was convicted 23 times, Serkan 39 times.
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#46
11:35 September 17, 2009 by eddymanly
You said that no major newspapers reported about the case, which is wrong. You said your German friends told you that so you should use better sources…
No, u r wrong.

My german friends didnt know about that, how did they tell me???? I was the one who tell them about the case.
Obviously you haven't read the rulings. But that's no wonder because you don't seem to care. You just want to make accusations about racis…
No , i heven't. Have u read? then tell me the summary.

Because u are well-known for racism. U was, u are, and i hope u will NOT be racist in future. Insya'allah!
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#47
11:38 September 17, 2009 by Moonboot
eddymanly, just for info SMS speak is discouraged on TT.
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#48
11:39 September 17, 2009 by Chrisimo
No, u r wrong.

My german friends didnt know about that, how did they tell me???? I was the one who tell them about the case.
You said that no major newspapers reported about the case. If your friends didn't know about it and that's why you think no major newspapers repo…[/quote]The greek and the turk had been convicted for crimes many times before they assaulted the old man. The guy who killed the Chinese woman had no criminal record.
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11:40 September 17, 2009 by eddymanly
Spiridon was convicted 23 times, Serkan 39 times.
he was convicted 39 times? By the way, how old is Serkan? So, he was convicted a few times per year. What type of criminal he has done before?

So, because of that he got 12.5 for injuring an oldman? And the one who killed only got 10 years
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11:45 September 17, 2009 by eddymanly
You said that no major newspapers reported about the case. If your friends didn't know about it and that's why you think no major newspapers r…
Hahaha, it is not my job to find all newspapers for germans to read. They (colleagues, friends, neighbors) read news paper everyday, if they didnt know abot about it, what does it mean?

By the way, did ZDF & ARD report it? I know they did report the case of 2 kids
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#51
11:47 September 17, 2009 by Chrisimo
he was convicted 39 times? By the way, how is Serkan? So, he was convicted a few times per year. What type of criminal he has done before?

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Being convicted for 39 times is not enough for you? He was convicted for theft, drug abuse, multiple grievous bodily harm, extortion, etc.

And he didn't only injure the old man, he kicked his head in (he had a fractures in his skull).
Hahaha, it is not my job to find all newspapers for germans to read. They (colleagues, friends, neighbors) read news paper everyday, if they didnt kno…
Of course it's not your job. You can talk bullshit all you want. I don't know if ARD and ZDF reported about it. Maybe you should look it up. But you probably don't care, anyway.
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#52
11:49 September 17, 2009 by eddymanly
The guy who killed the Chinese woman had no criminal record.
Ok, now i understand, the offense of a person (who is convicted before) who injures another person is heavier than the one (who has no criminal record) who kill other.

Thanks, now i know something about Germany law.
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#53
11:51 September 17, 2009 by kalyaja
Give me a break. Are they Kids? They're no longer kids. Don't give them freaking excuse that they're still "kids" and didn't know what they were doing. Kids are someone under 12 or 14 years of age.

They cried and felt sad and bad because they beat someone to death?? Bulls... . Sure, they cried because they got caught and they know that they are gonna be in jail for years to come and not gonna be able to sniff drug and make trouble to the society. Not because they felt ashamed and felt guilty about having killed somebody.

I wish those green party specially Mr. Montag would shut his mouth up. Christian Ude (Oberburgermeister) is another one who has got to resign. He has become so incompetant. He let this kind of situation going on under his watch and not doing anything about it. Using u-bahn and S-bahn in Munich is no longer safe. I've witnessed bullying incidents by these thugs a few times. Shame on Ude and all these multi-kulti self serving politicians.
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#54
11:52 September 17, 2009 by eddymanly
he kicked his head in
"Kick his head" is not "injure his head"? Is this worse than killing?
I don't know if ARD and ZDF reported about it
Of course u dont know, because they didnt report it
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11:55 September 17, 2009 by eddymanly
They're no longer kids. Don't give them freaking excuse that they're still "kids" and didn't know what they were doing. Kids…
Right!
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#56
11:56 September 17, 2009 by Chrisimo
"Kick his head" is not "injure his head"? Is this worse than killing?
If people commit crimes again and again they will get harder punishments over time. It's normal.
Of course u dont know, because they didnt report it
Do you know ARD Panorama?
Ok, now i understand, the offense of a person (who is convicted before) who injures another person is heavier than the one (who has no criminal record…
Yes, repeated crimes will get you higher sentences. It happens in all countries. And you forgot that the guy who killed got the longer sentence, not vice versa.
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#57
12:02 September 17, 2009 by eddymanly
It's normal.
Is killing normal?
Do you know ARD Panorama?
So?
Yes, repeated crimes will get you higher sentences. I
They didnt kill before.
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#58
12:05 September 17, 2009 by Chrisimo
Is killing normal?
Getting higher sentences for comminting crimes again and again is normal.
So?
Do you know it or not?
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#59
12:13 September 17, 2009 by eddymanly
Getting higher sentences for comminting crimes again and again is normal.
Higher than killing a person?
Do you know it or not?
So what?
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12:13 September 17, 2009 by MajorBummer
Err, back to the topic. So the kids apologised. I think it makes no difference whether you are 16, 17 or 18. At that age, you already understand your actions. You also know that repeatedly kicking someone in the head is going to either seriously injure them or kill them. Whether or not they were in some sort of violent stupor plays no role. What could a boy/man possibly enjoy about brutalising a helpless person? This is something I will never understand. Whether it's a murder or a rape. What could possibly be the kick? The guy was down, if they felt threatened by him or if they felt that their wannabee gangsta honour was tainted by his intervention, this should have settled it, but no, they went on kicking him again and again and again. Now they are sitting in jail crying, pathetic. This man is gone, forever. His family has lost him, forever. These so-called kids are now branded as murders for life. They will never find good jobs. They will probably end up living on welfare money on top of it, tax-payer's money, money coming from people like the very one they killed. Ironic, isn't it. The social services will try to rehabilitate them. Even if they are successful, it will not change the fact that they are murderers and branded as such. Game over. I bet that's what they are crying about.
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12:21 September 17, 2009 by Binaural
So what?
Do you argue just to hear the sound of your own e-voice? What few points you had have been thoroughly debunked, just let it go if you have nothing to add.
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13:24 September 17, 2009 by toko
Hahaha, it is not my job to find all newspapers for germans to read. They (colleagues, friends, neighbors) read news paper everyday, if they didnt kno…
Are you just a bit dense or simply retarded?

It's on every freaking station, there were even specials about it, and it will probably be picked up in the election campaign in one way or another. It's easily the biggest news topic at the moment.
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13:26 September 17, 2009 by Chrisimo
Are you just a bit dense or simply retarded?

It's on every freaking station, there were even specials about it, and it will probably be…
We were talking about a different case (where a German man pushed a Chinese woman in front of a train). But your question is still valid
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13:29 September 17, 2009 by toko
We were talking about a different case (where a German man pushed a Chinese woman in front of a train). But your question is still valid
Ok, now the last post was about the chinese woman, but he has proven his "balanced" view before.
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13:42 September 17, 2009 by Chrisimo
Ok, now the last post was about the chinese woman, but he has proven his "balanced" view before.
Yeah, he isn't interested in facts. He wants to keep his viewpoint.
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13:03 September 18, 2009 by XabiAlonso
I wish those green party specially Mr. Montag would shut his mouth up. Christian Ude (Oberburgermeister) is another one who has got to resign. He has …
Um, how specifically is the mayor responsible for what happened here, beyond the fact that a man was killed in a violent assault which took place during his term of office?
Using u-bahn and S-bahn in Munich is no longer safe.
Behave. We're talking about Munich, not Johannesburg.
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13:49 September 18, 2009 by sweetsilence
LOL, of course it was in the news paper,otherwise i wouldn't know about it. But it was not broadly reported compared to the kid who injured the ol…
I have a nice book you might want to read - it's called Bad science, and it will show you exactly how statistics and facts are misconstrued to support beliefs like yours. But as you didn't bother replying to any point made against your comments, I think you know already how much your opinion has to do with reality ;-)
Ok, now i understand, the offense of a person (who is convicted before) who injures another person is heavier than the one (who has no criminal record…
It is much more likely that someone who commited 39 offenses will offend again than someone who offended only once? So, in the interest of protection of your citizens, who would you give the longer sentence to?
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