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More jobless only getting basic support

Published: 29 Dec 11 08:24 CET | Print version
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/money/20111229-39795.html

One in four people in Germany who lose their jobs have paid so little into the generous social security system that they go straight onto the lowest possible level of support.

A new analysis from the Labour Office (BA) shows that the number of people who go directly onto the most basic level of support – known as Hartz IV – has risen since 2008, the Süddeutsche Zeitung reported on Thursday.

The rules say that a person who pays into the unemployment insurance system for at least one of the two years before they lose their job has a right to unemployment money – on average €812 a month. This is normally paid for a year before being reduced to Hartz IV which is €364 a month.

But the BA analysis showed that increasing numbers of those losing their jobs did not qualify for this as they had either not been working for long enough, or their wages had been too low to trigger the higher levels of unemployment benefits.

The BA said that around 2.8 million people lost their jobs in Germany during the 12 months until the end of November. Of these 737,000 went straight onto Hartz IV – an average of 61,000 a month. Three years ago this monthly figure was 51,000, the study showed.

The risk of becoming dependent on Hartz IV payments is heavily dependent on a person’s qualifications, with half of those with low qualifications going straight onto the basic support, while this is the case with only one in five of those with better qualifications.

Annelie Buntenbach, executive at the German Trades Union (DGB) said the figures showed “how full of holes the unemployment insurance has become and how many people are working in insecure jobs.”

She called for the qualification conditions for the higher level of unemployment support to be relaxed to enable more people to get it.

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10:17 December 29, 2011 by storymann
Germany has a labor shortage but it is a skilled labor shortage. There are lots of people from inside the Euro Zone willing to work ,black in many cases for low wages putting many unskilled Germans on the dole.

It is inevitable considering the draconian austerity measures that the indebted counties must undergo, that this trend will increase.
10:44 December 29, 2011 by lwexcel
I beg to differ, Germany does not really have a 'skilled' labor shortage. It is more because they still have issues recognizing foreign credentials.
11:40 December 29, 2011 by storymann
The engineering firm I work for here would hire another 600 engineers if we could find them. We have Turkish, Polish ,Czech, and many other engineers from outside.
12:32 December 29, 2011 by Englishted
@storymann

I would ask how many engineers has your firm trained in the last say 5 years?

Also would you not say t has not be run very well to allow such a shortage to occur.

But returning to the main story until the state cracks down on agencies and firms that use them permanently this problem will increase and will explode when many of the people working for them reach retirement age and have not earned enough to have contributed to the system let alone saved anything for later years.
13:48 December 29, 2011 by William Thirteen
prekariat anyone?
14:27 December 29, 2011 by leuteleute
Believe it or Not , Story from a man: Attention! a certain firm in Germany need 600 engineers.
14:33 December 29, 2011 by storymann
Englishted,

We are an automotive engineering firm,we develop prototypes for all the German auto makers. Many students do their practical time with us, but we are not a training facility.The company is still growing, and the demand for what we do has tripled in the last 5 years.

We have had a shortage of engineers for the last 5 + years. I think management is doing all they can and the company is doing very well also.You can check it out at iav.com.
14:49 December 29, 2011 by Oliver Jones
I am a freelancer, and I cannot even pay into the system - even though I want to. If you don't qualify to claim under the system, you cannot pay into it - which of course means you cannot claim when you really need it.

I completely understand (and agree) with the need to have one of the last two years paid for, but what I do not understand is why this is the case if you want to contribute and be part of the system. Ironically, if I were a freelancer abroad (and paid NOTHING into the German system), I would qualify if I worked long enough!

As far as German work was concerned, the man at the Arbeitsamt simply shrugged and told me I needed to find a permanent job paying >500 EUR/month, if I wanted to join the system.
17:16 December 29, 2011 by vossy
@Oliver Jones

In contrast, in England you can pay nothing in to the system but yet can claim maximum benefit from day 1, this is what pisses off English people who struggle to claim anything when they have paid into the system their whole lives and see immigrants arrive by boat/train or the back of a truck and be given preferential treatment in housing and benefits, the English are labelled racist whenever they bring this subject to the surface. This shows that people only want to go to England because of the generous benefit system to outsiders.
17:19 December 29, 2011 by Englishted
@storymann

I am please to hear of firms doing well.

But if as you say you are "not a training facility." then all your firm and many like it are doing is poaching trained engineers from other firms that have been prepared to invest in training.

This may suit a firms short term needs but is a disaster for the economy in the long run.If you had began with apprenticeships 5 years ago the results would be on running and would end your skill shortage.

However I still wish you and your firm a productive and successful new year.
13:59 December 30, 2011 by Oliver Jones
@vossy

I spent 22 years of my life in the UK, and I have no desire to return there. The place is a dump, it's hell-out expensive - and nobody sane would want to live there if they had an alternative.

That I don't have to support society's losers is an added bonus of paying taxes to the Finanzamt, instead of HMRC.
16:02 December 30, 2011 by storymann
Englishted thank you for the nice wishes, I am only a small cog in a big wheel,but understand your concerns.

Hope you have a happy and productive 2012.
00:52 December 31, 2011 by odtaa
@vossy Don't believe everything you read in UK newspapers like the Daily Mail.

You don't get unemployment benefit until you've paid in the national insurance scheme for at least a year.

Most of the stories of immigrants getting large houses, benefits etc are greatly exaggerated.

I know for example of a Kosovan family where the Daily Mail story was that they had squatted in a house and then wrecked it. The father was in fact working, legally, with a friend of mine.

They were legal tenants in a house and then the landlord suddenly wanted them out - without going through the legal process - so while the family were out he came in and smashed up the bathroom and kitchen and then called the racist press.
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