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Germany attracts better-educated immigrants

Published: 26 Nov 12 12:05 CET | Print version
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/education/20121126-46391.html

Immigrants to Germany are better educated and find it easier to get a job than earlier arrivals, a new survey showed on Monday. But male newcomers from other EU countries have the best employment chances.

Researchers recorded a sharp rise in the number of educated immigrants arriving in Germany with at least an undergraduate degree from a university over the past seven years.

Of those coming to Germany, the share of people with a degree rose from 30 percent in 2005 to 44 percent by 2009, according to a report by the Institute for Employment Research in Nuremberg (IAB) released on Monday.

The figures show Germany's new immigrants are on average better qualified than previous arrivals and their second or third generation offspring, wrote the IAB. They are also more likely to get a job commensurate with their education and training than those who have been in the country for longer.

Of the new immigrants, men from EU countries were best off in terms of employment prospects, said the IAB, with an employment rate similar to that of male Germans not from immigrant backgrounds.

Women moving to Germany from the EU were less likely to get employment, figures showed, and were less likely to get a job their female German counterparts.

Yet people moving to Germany from outside the EU had a much harder time securing a job, something IAB report authors Holger Seibert and Rüdiger Wapler said was due to "formal hurdles" barring access to employment for many non-EU citizens.

Also, these immigrants were more likely to make the move to Germany for family or humanitarian reasons, rather than on the basis of a concrete offer of employment.

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15:08 November 26, 2012 by Berlin fuer alles
Come to Germany and waste your qualifications. In less than a decade you will be the earlier arrival and realising you have not progressed but instead have gone backwards. You will get ALG1 for a year and then the jobcentre will treat you worse than the dirt on their show because you are still here looking for help.
15:33 November 26, 2012 by rogerpaul
Sadly, I have to agree with the above.

I am completing my PhD from Germany, and it is so hard to stay on. They just want you to work labor jobs or go back home.

Avoid this country for higher studies.
17:05 November 26, 2012 by AClassicRed
Last week at my appointment at the Ausländerbehörde, it literally reached a verbal confrontation and intervention from my lawyer to have the worker at the office accept my CV and updated lists of work I'd completed since my last visit. The letter of offers?

The worker didn't wish to be bothered with them either, and I told her whether she thought they'd be approved of it, wasn't it in another department where a decision was made? No decision could be made one way or the other if they didn't even submit them. They were extremely put out.

Roger, some don't even want to allow you to do labor jobs, but they definitely want you to spend your money here and go back home. In the last ten years, very easily I've spent at least 100,000€ living in Germany, helping pay their salaries. That's all they want. They make it clear they do not want you, as if they suspected you only of nefarious intent even though you obviously want to be legitimate because you're in that office in the first place.
18:12 November 26, 2012 by murka
I am glad it is getting better, in my opinion however, Germany is a nightmare for educated and ambitioned expats. Universities and high education per se fail to function as social lifts here. Acceptance into social networks depends on mastering a very specific etiquette and German culture, and I don't mean opera and ballet here. The only foreigners high on social ladder I know are artists, biz owners, etc., basically those bypassing all the mess.
18:27 November 26, 2012 by chris berlin
@ Berlin für alles: polemic as always... no, it is hard to get a highly qualified job but as soon as you are IN the job market the risk to drop out is extremly minimal. I have observed so many other qualified expats who had to wait quite a while to get a good job but as soon as they were in, they moved up the social ladder.

In statistics it is hardest to move up the social ladder in the US, Germany is in the middle, Scandinavian countries are best (ok, this was predictable).

I can only say for myself: it is much easier in Germany than it seems from the outside!
19:36 November 26, 2012 by murka
Chris, you can prove your point by naming the foreigners who are high on German social ladder through their career (as opposed to sport, art, biz, etc.).
19:55 November 26, 2012 by Englishted
Even at the other end of the scale there is the problem of not having apprenticeships for ever single job ,this is not a country to "learn by doing" as with most things German you need a piece of paper for anything or be in a club.
20:53 November 26, 2012 by chris berlin
@ murka: Those I know work as engineers, in the IT branche, in advertising, at research insitututes, as architects, doctors, for media, in the field of social policies... so quite diverse contexts. But I must say all of them are from southern Europe, the US or Australia. But maybe Berlin is different than the rest of Germany. Berlin has become a quite international city during the last years and in many businesses it does not matter anymore where you work. As Berlin is a very popular city, many internationally focused businesses move here which appreciate multilingual and multicultural staff.
21:34 November 26, 2012 by frankiep
I don't get it, if you are from a Western country and are hard working and highly educated like some of you claim, yet still can't find any work after years of looking then why the hell are you still here? I'm not asking this to be a jerk, I am genuinely curious. If you moved to this country and are well educated but genuinely hate it here so much then why don't you pack up and go somewhere else?
23:03 November 26, 2012 by TheCrownPrince
Oh no, just what Germany needs: still more of that foreign "easy-going"-attitude, superficial friendliness and cheesy grinning without any appreciation for earnestness, intellectual brooding and rough, but honest manners. If you want to have "fun", got to Disneyland instead.
23:49 November 26, 2012 by murka
@frankiep:

Why do you think the migration balance is pending around 0? Ppl are moaning about unqualified immigrants, but nobody cares about students getting their diploma and leaving the country.

Why do they do that? Every second immigrant with a degree works under her/his qualification, according to the ministry of education.
00:26 November 27, 2012 by bolingo
I am an MBA in finance from INDIA an advanced certificate in acquisitions finance from the Amsterdam institue of finance holland , i have been applying for jobs for the last 8 years and i am always met with the WALL called GERMAN LANGUAGE i think the claverly use it to stop foreign qualified individuals working in their economy , even in labour jobs they give FIRST PRIORITY to germans , they dont give a damn! if you can avoid this country , very unfortunate my son was born here
02:24 November 27, 2012 by lovemymac&cheez
"without any appreciation for earnestness, intellectual brooding and rough, but honest manners."

CrownPrince: This is the imaginary, quasi romantic branding.

What's really in the package is a delicious mixture of sausage and BO sophistication, indigent etiquette skillfully characterized as honesty, and self serving herds of the ordinary without critical thinking nor creativity who esteem themelves as highly intellectually capable due to a prefabricated paper they have on the wall that says so. Way to go!

Disneyland has definitely NOT been created here. Ernste Leute, please abstain- no instruction manuals in Disneyland!

Now clearly, the barriers are still very much alive and well for foreign workforce. It will take some time to realize someone's gotta pay for the renteversicherung, mommy geld, etc.
06:40 November 27, 2012 by ChrisRea
I think the biggest issue with this study is that it relies on old data (collected between 2005 and 2009). I would guess that the financial crises had quite an impact on the structure of immigrants.
08:43 November 27, 2012 by frankiep
@murka, you complain about people working under their qualifications, but guess what, that happens everywhere. Being in a foreign country certainly doesn't make it any easier and people should know and accept that before deciding to emigrate somewhere.

@bolingo, Germans cleverly use the German language as a barrier because, well, this is Germany and German is the language people speak here. Are you honestly complaining because you aren't being given your dream job when you can't even speak the language?

I came here from the US after the better part of a decade in the army where I learned technical skills that are of no use to anyone in the civilian world. I worked full time at crap jobs in the US and at the same time earned an online bachelor's degree. Then I came to Germany and went to a university here to earn a master's degree (all classes were in English). When I graduated, it took me a few months, but I wound up taking the first job offer I could get. The work sucked and was well below my qualifications, but I knew it was a way to get into the German workforce to learn the work culture and improve my skills and become more fluent in German. I worked my ass off and used my experience as a stepping stone to something better. Today I have a well paying job in one of the country's biggest companies - and I didn't get here by making excuses about the language, the politicians, the Beamters, the culture, etc. I got here by doing whatever I had to do. Now get off your ass and earn it.
15:55 November 27, 2012 by rits
Frankiep:

I guess German was the only language you learnt apart from your mother tounge English. As a US citizen whats the big deal if you could just speak English (your mother tounge), even illiterate can speak their mother tounge.

This is Germany and people speak German, so why then ,always the cry shortage of skilled labors and relaxation in immigrations rules, to attract foreign skills. The answer is if Germany needs foreign skills, they will also have to learn an International language. In the corporate world English is an International language.

Why give visa to people who do not speak German when they come first time?

@bolingo- People in the western world are too ignorant to know that all Indians who speak English, have mastered English as a foreign language apart from their mother tongue.

How many Germans have mastered English as their foreign language? If they would have done, then there would be no shortage of skilled labour which is always the cry in the media.
16:01 November 27, 2012 by jg.
"Women moving to Germany from the EU were less likely to get employment, figures showed, and were less likely to get a job their female German counterparts."

Is this just the EU women who actually applied for jobs or all EU women living here? Amongst my friends and colleagues, all of the German women I know are working but very few of the EU women. Almost all of the EU women I know are at home (mostly looking after their children) and neither wanting nor applying for work.
16:35 November 27, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ rits #15

"In the corporate world English is an International language." - Sure, but it is only rarely that an employee would have to communicate only within a corporation. For example, there is a big deficit of qualified nurses in retirement homes.

"Why give visa to people who do not speak German when they come first time?" - Maybe because the visa is limited (in time) and gives people the chance to learn the language in a German-speaking environment?
20:25 November 27, 2012 by frankiep
@rits

I don't know exactly what you are trying to say. I took the time and effort to learn a language, German, that is not my native language because I chose to move to this country.

And the fact that there is a shortage of skilled labor in this country should be seen as an opportunity for people who have moved here to look for work. An opportunity, but not an invitation to show up and expect to get a well paid job without being able to communicate at a high level with native speakers. And it is true that English is an international language. However this is Germany, and while many people here do speak English, it is not their native language and they are far more comfortable speaking German, especially in their own country. You would do well to remember that you are an outsider here (just like me) and that even though you might think that learning the language proficiently shouldn't be that important there are plenty of other people with whom you are competing that don't see it that way. These are the people who will put in the extra effort to be able to communicate in German companies thereby making themselves more employable than those who say that everyone here should just speak English. I hope I am not coming across as too harsh, but I just fail to see how someone can move to a different country and expect the natives to cater to them so that they can become a successful member of their society.
20:47 November 27, 2012 by ovalle3.14
No secrets, making it here is hard. And like many big countries with a relatively large population, the culture and attitudes tend to be centered around their own country. But we all sort of knew that already before moving here, didn't we? Here is another secret: as a foreigner you're gonna have it harder anywhere you are!
00:13 November 28, 2012 by DULS
@frankiep

wow, you are the man.... honestly I was starting to think I was the only one with the same mind. It seems that some people just know how to complain and they just don't want get their ass off. The interesting thing is that they always find an excuse, everything is to blame in Germany even the stars ... but never them.
03:26 November 28, 2012 by Berlin fuer alles
The education in Germany is not as good as employeers in Germany really need. Statistics show this (http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/uk-education-comes-sixth-global-league-table-130000692.html). Even in Europe Germany is languishing behind the Finland, UK, Netherlands, Switzerland, Ireland, Denmark and Poland.

This is another indicator of why Germany needs the rest of the EU more than the EU needs Germany.

Germany needs to export. EU provides tha platform.

Germany needs an educated workforce. EU also provides that platform.

Message to Dr. Merkyl and Mr. Hyde. Don't keep poisoning the goose that lays the golden egg with your austerity measures and loan sharking tactics. It will soon bite you back in the ass.
04:38 November 28, 2012 by honeybeee
Whileas a country or a company whom to be regarded as a unit and really needs taleneted people , that's common and no more surprises , because the whole unit must keep their own fast paced development speed and a high intensity competent circumstance , so they must only need high -intellectual people to be assimilated . Like german car -parts supplier Schaeffler Ag, of course they recruit intellectual young people every year, even in this hard economical situation , schaeffler establish india and hungary new factory there and really need to recruit more talented staffs worldwide ,what they believe they can have well -educated staffs is the least requirement to keep them ahead in this fierce competition auto feild.
15:23 November 28, 2012 by Berlin fuer alles
@honeybeee

Babelfish translation? Sorry it makes no sense in English.
09:51 February 11, 2013 by deevamp40
What I heard about Germany was always good.

Of course, any person who is migrating to any other country other than his homeland has to face certain situations particularly language. It doesnt make any sense complaining about the same.

But about unemployment, Is it true that unemployment in germany is increasing...?? I am hearing about the same for first in this website.

I am planning for germany in 2013.
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