Published: 26 Oct 12 17:30 CET | Print version
Updated: 27 Oct 12 15:00 CET
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Several primary and secondary schools in Berlin are segregating migrant children into classes with “vastly inferior education,” to attract "ethnic Germans," an NGO has told a United Nations Human Rights session in Geneva.
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My child's mother speech is German and I would want that there would be no waiting for non-speakers to catch up.
I have read numerous articles in "The Local" about state money being spent to help children from other lands learn German in extra classes isn't that racially segregating as well but beneficial to them .
Neither I, my wife or our two year old son spoke German when my job took us to Germany. We wanted to fully integrate into German society, so instead of attending an international school our son was educated in the German educational system. Despite having an I.Q. over 130 and regular tutoring classes in German, our son was barely able to qualify for the Gymnasium, but his grades in German were always only just above passing.
He was in the last class of the nine year Gymnasium and in the eigth and ninth classes, he failed to get a 4 in German. After the eighth class he passed the qualifying tests to get in the ninth class, but after the ninth class, he was told that he either had to retake the ninth class or go to the Haupt Schule. (It was too late to transfer to the Real Schule.) Thinking like an American, I suggested that three years of Latin was enough, but, of course, substituting something else for Latin was not possible because of the way the German school system was structured.
We chose to have him take the ninth class again. since there wasn't any more ninth classes in the G9, he was put into the G8. We assumed that he would be put into the eighth class in the G8, but the "book" says that a student who fails a class has to take the same NUMBERED class over, so he was put into the ninth class of the G8. This was the equivalent of going into the tenth class in the G9 in a brand new curriculum with different prerequisite classes. It was far more difficult than continuing than if he had continued with his former classmates.
Fortunately, a place opened up in a wonderful Waldorf School in the second half of the year and and our son got the Abitur the same time that his former classmates got theirs in the Gymnasium. The added benefit was that all of our lives were transformed for the better. The enormous stress was lifted and we were all much happier.
I bet writing a book about this shameful discrimination will not sell millions of copies....
@ChrisRea: Sorry to be a bit offensive, I hope you are not going around your eyes closed and not followup the news now and then. I would be surprised if you don't find at least some evidence. The simplest example you can see is in the comment number #8 Jay Moore, If you want integration, I hope this is not a very welcoming way.
My personal experience:
Example1: I love to speak German as much as I can and try to practice now and then. I had a visa interview and I got stuck in explaining one aspect in German (or) the person is misunderstanding me. When I wanted to switch to English, they forced me to speak in German, even though they know very good English.
Example2: We have been living in a studentenwerk and they had to close down the building for some reasons on a short notice. That time we still had contact for one more year. In this case, they had to provide us some accommodation in one of the remaining buildings, if they had vacancies. We went and applied and they told that they don't have rooms. But we Knew that there were rooms vacant. We went and asked again and they they told us the vacant rooms are in a WG where German students are living and we cannot allot you in this.
If some one tells me this not called a discrimination, I would be thrilled. But in neither of the cases, we didn't make this as a big issue.
If still some educated local people cannot be able to accept that there are friendly internationals who wants to integrate into German society are facing problems due to more strict attitude from some authorities (definitely not all, it's getting better now a days, hopefully), then no one can improve the situation.
so that it buddies, take it easy. If you have any simple solutions that would be great to share here :) :)
Lets give the Germans a break: One day they are forced to live on noodles, potatoes, kolrabi with rationed food- the next day they have to convince the world they are at the same level as other societies that have NEVER had to go through such. It won't happen.
War and poverty leave scars in each one of them. Societies can develop ECONOMICALLY but this doesn't imply they have evolved CULTURALLY. This is all being hidden under the rug because its unimportant- what matters is that they can buy Abercrombie. For now. They are just happy not having to remember about the times of eating like homeless.
And this hypocrisy of the immigrants having to give up their cultural identities to fit in... lets ask the Germans who of them integrated when they had to immigrate to Romania, Tirol or Volga- NONE. They maintained their own culture and refused to integrate to their adopted countries.
Germany does better without memory... because the moment we start remembering oh boy!!!!
Cultural Advancement lesson #1: Immigrants are people. You treat them fairly and equally.
Cultural Advancement lesson #2: People lie where conditions are better, in other words, it's all about the Euros! - sorry, to break it for you.
Cultural Advancement lesson #3: Professionals don't grow on trees. And Germany doesn't produce enough of them.
Cultural Advancement lesson #4: In order to stay away from the dreadful kohlrabi, Johannes and Helmut will have to allow Amit to bring his wonderful foreign acquired qualifications which the German system does not have. Yay.... Johannes, even if your relentless little self rebels against the very fundamental notion of pursuit of happiness regardless of background... just do it for your imported T-shirts, ok?
One of the main reasons why people come here is due to more industrialized nation and having wide number of technologies that you can work with. This is not always the case in other countries. I think anyone who is good at what they do are smart enough, they don't have to come from Germany. If they are not smart enough, then the smart German companies won't recruit them anyway. I think if you start comparing the smartness between people especially naming race and country base, then there is no point of further discussion on integration.
But when you look around and see that in order to do the most basic thing to integrate such as applying for a job, you have to provide a picture that reveals your ethnicity, color, age, and your date of birth.... then you start wondering about equality and objective qualification. Along with that, what about Equal Housing opportunities?
Integration is a 2 way street, and some societies refuse to acknowledge that and pass the buck to the immigrants as their problem, or the government. Issue is the society, which takes longer to culturally evolve and cannot be coerced just with a simple rule.
Are they segregating Russians or Africans too?
I immigrated with my parents (tho not to Germany) at 7 years of age, with no previous knowledge of the language. I was the only kid in class who didn't speak the language, so there was no point segregating me. They let me study math and whatever subjects that didn't require speech (drawing/music/whatever) and during some classes I was "segregated", along with other newly immigrated kids or kids with learning difficulties and put us in a small studying group to help us all catch up. In the end I skipped 2 grades, so if these kids are so smart they too should have no difficulty.
I must say this "segregation" I had did a lot of good for me. I can't imagine I could have learned if I had another dozen foreigners who didn't speak the native tongue in class with me, holding everyone back and taking all of the teacher's attention. The small study groups put us all on track: immigrants and kids with learning difficultries.
Children learn a new language fairly easily from hearing it around them. So unless they don't socialize with Germans (like many immigrants whom you find living there for 15 years and still speak broken German), there won't be a problem and you don't even need a Schprachschule. I never been to one and we continued speaking our native tongue at home, none the less I speak the language of my current country of residense fluently, easily bypassing the locals. Altogether I speak 4 languages.
You are aware that anecdotal evidence is far from clear evidence, right? And that the challenge for gorongoza is related to the "If there is anything the Germans resent is competition of any sort posed by a foreigner. Anybody can argue with me on this one till cows come home but can not convince me otherwise - I have clear evidences to that effect." statement?
I still have to figure out wherefrom did you take the idea of me going around with my eyes closed.
Cheers :)
And here am I, applying for German citizenship.
On a similar note: a Turkish mother whose children are in the same Kita as my kids, is worried sick about which school to send her children. She's afraid that they'll be dragged down by those who speak poor German ...and poor Turkish. Two Turkish acquaintances of mine send their children to "elite" German-English bilingual schools. It's a class thing.
The result of this is that I have never been 'integrated' but have developed a sense of alienation stemming from my inability to comprehend the language and even sports like baseball. I was in fights constantly: the foreign kid against the pack of foreign-hating native children.
Dont talk about something you have not emotionally experienced. A separate program or tutoring would have gone a long way towards integration.
At a similar, albeit different personal level -being older at the time-, my first semester at the TU Berlin was very hard. My street German wasn't enough to understand lectures. However, I made friends with Germans, compared notes, looked up words and succeeded with high grades, more importantly I made a huge effort integrating.
Language is a cultural and social thing. Parents have the most responsibility in respect to their own children, especially when they decide on residence in a foreign country.
Tja, Deutschland. Ihr macht's Euch ganz schoen schwer!
From the point workers have to submit resumes with photo's attached, which screams inequality. The employers can screen people based off race, age and sex. Then, If you do get the job. They send German workers to your employers who they feel may be better at your potential job than you. Germany wants foreign businesses to invest in them, but they don't care about foreigners at all.
The best way to live and thrive in Germany is to have your own business.
I think they are discriminating against this children and it is really terrible.
So yes, I do believe that German children's education is suffering because of this, and I don't think that separating students based on language skills is a bad idea. If their German gets better they can always move up to the higher class, but until then they shouldn't be holding back the other kids.
The nature system to separate water and fire appears discriminatory to me.
The regular system to separate genders appears discriminatory to me.
I need to get fast money from an american tycoon and to build up my easy "Foundation" and to work for the UN system !
Best Regards
If you try to force integrated education on the locals then they will start moving to avoid it - as has happened in the UK. Many families have moved home and even changed their jobs to move to areas with fewer immigrants and schools with fewer problems (drugs, violence, poor results). The result is that the ghetto effect in the larger cities is increased, with entire areas and their schools becoming virtual no-go areas for the indigenous population. Many schools in the centre of London now have a huge majority of children for whom English is a second language and where the prospects for pupils are bleak. Nobody who cares about their children's future would choose to send them to such a school.