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'Anonymous' declares 'Blitzkrieg' on neo-Nazis
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'Anonymous' declares 'Blitzkrieg' on neo-Nazis

Published: 02 Jan 2012 12:46 GMT+01:00
Updated: 02 Jan 2012 12:46 GMT+01:00

A “Nazi-Leaks” portal has appeared on the internet listing hundreds of names of people subscribed to various shops selling far-right clothing, as well as writers for the Junge Freiheit newspaper which carries contributions from far-right commentators.

The hackers say they have managed to close down 15 websites associated with the neo-Nazi National Democratic Party (NPD), the Frankfurter Rundschau reported on Monday. They have reportedly called their campaign "Operation Blitzkrieg".

The paper said that the German version of the neo-Nazi internet platform “Altermedia” was at times offline. A Twitter message addressed to those trying to get into the site wished “all Nazis and in particular Altermedia a good start to the New Year.”

This was greeted by a message reported by left-wing websites as coming from Altermedia calling for information about the hackers, and offering to reward useful tips with the hackers' “amputated fingers.” The Frankfurter Rundschau said it could not check whether the comment was really from Altermedia as the site was offline.

Long lists of names, some with addresses, purporting to be customer registers of firms such as the infamous Thor Steinar clothing firm were posted on the “Nazi-Leaks” portal.

People listed on the portal as having written for the Junge Freiheit newspaper included Peter Scholl-Latour, according to the Frankfurter Rundschau. He is a respected journalist and Afghanistan expert who has written for, among other publications, the Stern magazines.

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14:46 January 2, 2012 by Englishted
He is not anonymous that is Guy Fawkes.

But this time what he is doing I agree with.
17:34 January 2, 2012 by kopraonu
Comment removed by The Local for breach of our terms.
18:58 January 2, 2012 by derExDeutsche
Yawn. What a Crock of S Anonymous is.

In Africa, it is OK for Africans to demand the European Whites leave their farms and business' there, Anonymous supports it fully. In the Middle East, it is OK for Arabs to demand that every European White Man leave Muslim lands, Anonymous sees no problem with that, either. In fact, the hack computers to make the White Europeans in Iraq and Afghanistan look bad. Maybe Anonymous should change their name to Hypocritical.

I am no fan of Racist Socialists, but Anonymous are not any better. A bunch of PC Idiot Dbags living a Benetton ad fantasy, where the Rules only apply to Whites of European descent living in Europe and the Americas.
20:36 January 2, 2012 by supernova
This war declaration indicates that anonymous is anti Nazis and not that they are anti white because lots of white people are anti Nazis as well.

This time I salute Anonymous to take such a social step to clean up the dirt for humanity sake!
21:34 January 2, 2012 by derExDeutsche
@ ChrisRea

Anonymous is Pro whatever the Politically Correct whim of the day is. I am not Tremley, in fact, I choose to live in a country that is diverse. I enjoy diversity. BUt I am not going to pretend like Anonymous is not above all, Critical of the West Society. Capitalism, Judeo/Christianity, traditional Family Values are the enemies of Anonymous everywhere. SO call that anti-white, or whatever, its anti-west. All other cultures get a pass.
09:09 January 3, 2012 by LiberalGuy
Here we go. It looks like the same clowns who flooded cracked.com with a whole heap of anti white crap have turned their attention to thelocal.de

This should be good for a laugh.

Let me guess Anti racsim is code for anti white. Yawn......

Good luck with that editors of the local.
10:35 January 3, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ derExDeutsche #5

Anonymous has nothing to do with political correctness. Actually their actions are more often then not disrespecting political correctness (hacking for example). They fight for what they perceive as justice with a focus on liberty (especially Internet liberty and transparency). They target crooked corporations and governments but also individual criminals (like the ones who try to sexually abuse children). Among others, they attacked the Church of Scientology (which is hardly representing Judeo/Christianity or traditional family values), the Iranian government for the manipulated 2009 Iranian presidential elections (not really a Western government, is it?), the government of Zimbabwe, Tunisia, Anguilla, Brazil, Turkey and Malaysia for censorship (some of the whitest governments in your opinion I suppose), the government of Syria for the anti-democratic stance (would you consider them Western Society?), the Muslim Brotherhood (another Judeo/Christianity, aren't they?).

So I guess you learned something about Anonymous today, didn't you?
11:04 January 3, 2012 by LecteurX
@ derExDeutsche - so today Anonymous did something tangible against neo-nazis, in a move to make the world a better place. And you, what did you do?

I don't think that demanding to live in a world where you shouldn't live in fear of being executed in cold blood by racists just because you look foreign is "a politically correct whim", thanks very much. I don't think calling them "Dbags" make you look any better than this.
12:38 January 3, 2012 by henry1544
Next, I hope "Anonymous" will target the hatesites on the left. All the openly communist and revolutionary sites that advocate mass killings of non-communists and re-education camps for those who are accepted.

These are all a bigger threat than the "skinheads" or "neo-nazis" ever will be.

They can start with the "Antifa" websites and move on to the rest from there.
13:07 January 3, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ henry1544

Yes, if you consider vandalism and non-lethal violence worse than the killings done by neo-nazis, then you are right, Antifa are a bigger threat than the neo-nazis. Anonymous, do you hear this?
14:20 January 3, 2012 by ngwanem
@ derExDeutsche: have you read the dumps by Anonymous... ? Guess not because you would not have been spouting gibberish on this forum, in defense of people who think others of the "wrong" skin color or genetic traits don't have a right to existence.... some of the dumps in very clear language manifest racism and sex discrimination... even to the point of forbidding members from interracial relationships... liberty - huh? ...and since when did criticism of extremist persons become anti-white? It would be like saying the criticism of the Black Panthers is anti-black.

You and your fellow KKK-neo Nazi pals should clean up your acts and start realizing the world belongs to EVERYONE equally, irrespective of race, language, sex, religious and political beliefs. Bravo Anonymous!!!!
14:28 January 3, 2012 by henry1544
@ ChrisRea

Are you serious? You are obviously lying!

Just google "antifa" and see what comes up! Besides the left has a very bloody and murderous history in the last 30-40 years with RAF and their ilk.

According to Interpol's statistics over politcial violence in 2010, the left side had 45 registered attacks. The right side had 0. Yes, that is zero.

Here are some links for those who might believe the lies that ChrisRea just commented above:

From Spiegel:

"Left-wing extremism is on the rise in Germany, according to a classified intelligence report seen by SPIEGEL. The number of violent militants has risen by a fifth since 2005 and offenses rose sharply in the first quarter of 2011. Authorities are intensifying their surveillance of the scene. "

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,766865,00.html

And from the Daily Mail in England:

Racist attack on union leader:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351694/Left-wing-students-vicious-racist-attack-fellow-union-leader.html

How about them apples?
16:03 January 3, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ henry1544 #12

Obviously it is difficult for you to make a difference between left-wing extremists and Antifa. However, they are pretty much separate. You can find out using Google as well. I dare you to post a link about somebody murdered by Antifa. You will find however about many killings made by neo-nazis (reminder: neo-nazis are the ones against whom Anonymous launched the operation "Blitzkrieg").

The articles you quote make no reference to killings, but only vandalism and non-lethal violence (exactly how I wrote in my previous post).

You might also want to differentiate between Interpol and Europol. They are not the same, you know?
16:54 January 3, 2012 by Englishted
@henry1544

Interpol's statistics are wrong or does the attack in Sweden by that looney not count?
19:02 January 3, 2012 by raandy
A bit of help helps go Blitzkrieg
22:41 January 3, 2012 by henry1544
@ Englishted

You mean Anders Behring Breivik from Norway? He has actually been diagnosed paranoid schizofrenic by court appointed psychologists. They now have to drop all the references to his political views at trial. One can ofcourse argue against that, but he was really a lunatic, and could as well been claiming men from Mars made him do it. (Read about him at Wikipedia to understand what made him tick).

Interpol's statistic was from 2010 by the way.

Sweden had their own terror attack last christmas, when a muslim carrying a bomb-belt tried to murder hundreds of innocent shoppers in Stockholm while they were holiday shopping. Fortunately he wasn't all that clever at bomb-making and only one of the pipes went off, killing only him...30 feet from the busiest shopping street. Thank god.
00:07 January 4, 2012 by DinhoPilot
It s interesting to notice how the neo nazi anti jew, white supremacist is growing worldwide. Under the banner "the white man is disappearing" they preach to fouls who fail to succed in life and see all others has the cause of their p.roblems. That is exactly the same tactic used in black gangs blaming whites for they problems. The truth is none of these groups contributes to the good of mankind. Can you stick with your ideas in stormfront and stop bothering people in TheLocal
01:07 January 4, 2012 by LecteurX
This is hilarious. We're talking about Germany, about racist organisations which killed dozens of people in Germany alone in the last two decades (the numbers range to 50-odd to almost 200 victims of right-wing xenophobic murders depending on sources and how you define that category in the first place) in Germany alone since 1990. We're talking about one particular group that went on to kill decent fathers or innocent young men in shops for no other reason that they looked too foreign to be spared, about German media and websites that support these ideas. We're talking about this other group (Anonymous) which decided to act in a non-violent way in order to fight this sort of extremism - in Germany.

And what are such idiots going by the names of Henry1544 or derExDeutsche doing? Condemning the "politically correct whim of the day" or going all red-faced, stomping their feet and screaming like ugly brats "no-no-no, the LEFT is dangerous, the LEFT is dangerous".

How monomaniac these m0r0ns (exdeutsche and henry) can be? Jeez, sure the RAF were dangerous terrorists but they've been out of the way for more than 20 years, hellooooo. What next? Are you going to bring on the subversive actions of Spartakists and Trotskyists of the 1920s to make your point? Can't we tackle the murderous terrorists of the day now? Leftwing terror of the recent years in Germany was about sabotaging trains and burning cars. Although these are definitely criminal activities and should be systematically punished as such, they certainly pale in comparison with the 50-200 murders attributable to neo-nazis in Germany alone since 1990 nevertheless. As far as Germany is concerned, the current biggest murderers turn out to be right-wing fanatics, and there's nothing wrong with fighting them or organisations supporting them by means of nonviolent tactics and all things legal.

People who find something to criticise about this splendid action are either woefully uninformed or just plain idiots, which to me is pretty much the same thing anyway.

Goodnight, you halfwits.
08:32 January 4, 2012 by greg cessna
If anonymous is so capable how come they dont know about the mass homebuilt computers (so as not to be on record) placed under places like public storage 'units' so coved you cant see them so hooked in you dont know or the computer chips smuggled in on the tags of oriental blankets all financed by inside and outside corruption Sopa is a threat so dont let this slip bye you once coordinated attacks begin from within and outside internet goes down then they come up and they have internet and the peoples dont. Thats a tactical they been working on.

What about the explosives put into molds to look like ordinary landscaping rocks even in the rivers coved wires and magnetics think the people might want to begin un-rigging enemies of freedom are serious. you know where the fema camps how come you dont know this 911 was an inside job and they kept working.
11:22 January 4, 2012 by LecteurX
Plus, for the likes of henry1544 who always scream "RAF" for want of better arguments in order to distract us from the topic of rightwing extremism, let us not forget that the deadliest terror attack perpetrated in Germany since the end of the war was the work of neo-nazis (yes, again) as they bombed the Oktoberfest in September 1980, killing 13 people in the attack and injuring over 200. That's more than the Munich Olympics attack by Black September.

Nevertheless, the neo-nazi threat had been constantly downplayed by German authorities. Just after the Breivik massacre in Norway, the federal Interior Minister went so far as to say that there is no real far-right threat in Germany. And lo, 5 months later, we learn that the so-called "döner murders" had nothing to do with some criminal underworld killings and everything to do with murderous racist violence.

So please go away with your hysterical screams - the topic of this article is right-wing violence and actions taken against it. It is a very valid topic.
11:54 January 4, 2012 by henry1544
@ ChrisRea

There is a difference between left wing extremists and Antifascist action? Please explain!

Here where I live they are all the same, hang out at the same clubs, march together, attack together. They just adjust their clothing for the appropriate attack and target. Afa, left wing activists, anarchists, occupy movement etc, are all the same, with slightly different views on how much violence they should use. If you are actually debating this, it means you are one of them.

Neo-nazis? Who are they? Labelled by the left-wing media? "Everyone" is a "nazi". That word is overused. Now, are you also putting them in the same box as everybody else? Skinheads, nationalists, national socialists, populistic parties etc?

Europol/Interpol - yes I know the difference, but got them tangled up. Sorry about that.

About left wing terror and murder:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism

Daily Mail article about left wing terrorism on the rise:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047791/Germans-fear-rise-left-wing-terrorism-seven-petrol-bombs-Berlin-rail-tunnel.html

About the 45 reported left-wing terror attacks in 2010...and 0 for right wing attacks according to Europol...how long do you thing it will take before people actually start dying from this? Being blown up, beaten, threatened, but not killed isn't that nice either way.

And we haven't even started on the muslims...
07:01 January 5, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ henry1544 #21

"There is a difference between left wing extremists and Antifascist action? Please explain! Here where I live they are all the same ..."

Left wing extremists fight capitalism and Antifascist fight fascists (fascism is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology; among others, they oppose capitalism as well; nazism is an even more radical branch of fascism which focuses on biological racism and antisemitism - that is why Anonymous and lots of other people fight against nazism). I really hope you got it this time. By the way, where do you live? Based on what you wrote, I am pretty sure it is not Germany.

Anyway, I see you failed to produce a link to an article reporting about murders committed by Antifa. So I would say it is pretty safe to say that neo-nazis (who killed many people) are a far more bigger threat than Antifa (whose most extreme actions are vandalism and non-lethal violence). Just to be clear - I do not support any kind of extremism.

Anyway, I am pretty sure you also agree with the fight against those who commit crimes like ones committed by the infamous neo-nazi trio recently exposed by the German media. Or don't you?
11:37 January 5, 2012 by henry1544
@ ChrisRea

For meg the difference between left wing extremists, afa etc is just semantics. Thy all want the same thing. Communism and a totalitarian state. (The same with neo-nazis, national socialists, skinheads etc).

I abhor violence, wether it comes from the right, the left or the centre. Neo nazis, communists - whatever these people who want "revolution" call themselves, and what excuse they use, they are to be confronted and dealt with according to the law. If they break it.

My failure to produce deaths from antifa is somewhat telling, but nontheless they produce something else that is not nice; Fear and terror. Just like Stasi, they don't have to kill you, you just need to know they are there....waiting. It produces fear, which again produces resistance - and more violence. It is very dangerous and ends in - murder. Media is unfortunately very left-sided and will always protect the protestors (Because they used to be them when they were younger), even though the burn the streets and attack police and whoever they don't like.

Extreme views produces extreme anti-views. If someone tells you, you can't think "like that", you tell them to shut up, because you are a free man. If they threaten you, follow you, throw stones through your window, what will happen with you after a while? You get violent too! It's natural.

My point about commenting on this article is the one-sidedness on the focus on the right wing extreme - while the left wing is much bigger, better financied, more violent on the streets, against police and political opponents. Yes, the "neo-nazis" kill people, and should be punished and monitored - but they do not put fear into people on such a massive scale as left-wing protestors at G8 meeting, occupy movements, marches where thousands of people clash with police, with horses, batons, teargas etc. The left side wants to outlaw patriots, nationalists and populistic parties - why? If they don't break the law then they should be able to have freedom of speech. If you confront them, threaten them, attack them - what do you expect to happen then?

The reason the right wing is on the rise is because our governments have let millions of immigrants into our contries, and when many people say "Hey, that's not right - nobody asked me about this, this is my land too!", you can't attack them, try to silence them or call them racist! That CREATES extremism!

That is why I'm always weary when I read about the "rise" of the right wing...it goes toghether with left-wing violence. If we somehow could reduce one of them, the other will also dissapear. One way to start this is to stop immigration from non-European countries into Europe. If we don't, right-wing extremism is only getting to become a bigger problem.
15:11 January 5, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ henry1544

Can you support your statements with figures about the German reality? For example about the amounts used to finance left wing extremists and, respectively, right wing extremists?

I agree that if we reduce one of the sides of extremism, the other will be reduced too. Anonymous' action works exactly towards this goal, by sabotaging (and thus reducing) right-wing extremists, namely neo-nazis. How do you think/propose we can leverage these actions?

Neo-nazis in Germany did not appear and developed because of immigration (from European countries or not; neo-nazis do not really make the difference based on country of origin). The cities that attracted the largest number of immigrants are Berlin, Hamburg and Bremen, while the "pockets" of neo-nazis are to be found in the Eastern part of Germany, less Berlin. If we speak specifically about Turks, they are concentrated in the urban centers in the West of Germany. So the idea that the immigrants are "stealing" the jobs of neo-nazis is far from reality.

Internationally, there is also no connection between neo-nazis and immigration. For example Australia has a yearly net migration rate of 6.34 migrants/1,000 inhabitants (Germany has a much lower rate - 2.19 migrants/1,000 inhabitants) and neo-nazis are practically nonexistent there. And there are many other examples.
20:18 January 5, 2012 by henry1544
@ ChrisRea

To your first question, no, because I don't know German, so it would be hard for me to dig into German society and information. But Germany is not very different from other European states, which are "social democratic", with a strong left-sided support. Some have conservative parties that do pressure them, but all in all the EU has the same-minded people running it. With some exceptions.

The left side have thousands of organisations across Europe, from huge state-funded anti-racist organizations, socialist youth parties, youth clubs that promote multicultural values, magazines, concerts, marches etc etc. Add to this, the 90% left wing media, universities and public organsations (Unions etc) - the money is everywhere for a leftist youth. He or she can pick any trade or become the prime minister even though they promote leftist ideas.

I remember seeing Joschka Fisher with his helmet attacking police in his youth. Later he was foreign minister. Now try to do this if you are conservative or right wing. Like the left side, that went from celebrating Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao and other mass murderers and who today call themselves "socialists", the right side also has to go through this fase of distancing themselves from Hitler, Mussolini and others. But the left side is not allowing them to do this by always bringing up nazism and racism at debates or confrontations.

If you are a anti-immigration politician you will always get attacked with "the holocaust", racism and Hitler. That is not fair. We must be allowed to debate immigration, the threat of militant islam and the future of our western society without these labels! "Neo-nazis", what are they? Skinheads? The NPD? In England they have the EDL, the BNP, in France the Front National, in Holland the Freedom party, in Austria the FPí, in Sweden the Sweden democrats..etc etc. They are all called nazis and racists. Ok, so why are not todays socialist parties called "communists" or "marxists"? Which they all were in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

I just want a fair and balanced world out there. Myself I'm against mass immigration into Europe, but I know from personal experience I have to shut up at certain places, or I might be beaten up or killed for saying what I mean. It should not be like this in Europe in 2012.
08:36 January 6, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ henry1544

I see you try to change the subject of this discussion. The article is about Anonymous attacking the websites of neo-nazis (specifically those associated with NPD and Altermedia). You said that they should also attack the websites of Antifa (which you say "advocate mass killings of non-communists and re-education camps for those who are accepted"), but you do not (cannot?) give specific examples (maybe because they do not exist?). We should then just stick to the conclusion that Anonymous just did something to reduce the extremism in our society.
12:03 January 6, 2012 by henry1544
@ ChrisRea

I actually think it's you who are changing the debate here now, because you actually understood what I wrote and felt uneasy with the fact that you know I'm right on many issues. This is not "only" about NPD, Altermedia or Anonymous. This is about a bigger picture where one side is trying to silence another side - by any means necessary. The NPD and Altermedia are fringe groups - but if you silence them, you will start a wave of opposition. You will not see it, it will be like a underwater earthquake, and when it comes...it's too late to react. History has shown us this time and time again.

We need freedom of speech, wether we are on the left or right. If you break the law, you should be punished. So far so good?

The left controls the media, the government, the universities, the unions. Ok?

Anonymous are attacking the "neo-nazis", that's ok - if they break the law. (If they say they are neo-nazis and say they want to break the law). Then they go to prison. But you cannot stop them from talking or having their opinions!

Do you want Anonymous to attack "all" the muslims too, even though only a few actually kill/hurt people? (I always wondered about this doublestandard on nazis vs muslims).

I can give you many examples from my country where leftist groups have openly said that they want to overthrow the system and make it communist. I have seen people waving communist flags in the streets and having pictures of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot on placards. I have seen riots, burning cars, physical attacks, bombings and worse. What do they want do you think? Peace? Freedom of speech?

If you are actually arguing with me about Antifa being violent and wanting to remove nazis by violence - then you are not being honest. They ARE violent, and they will stop at nothing. Read their websites and see their actions on the streets. Not only Antifa but all the other revolutionary, socialist, antiracist groups.

If I'm on the "right" side, and you are on the "left" side, we need for things to calm down and remove the extremists on BOTH sides. But that can only happen when the left side (Including media, unions, universities etc) admits that they have their own problems with violent and undemocratic groups like Antifa, anarchists etc and kick them out of the accepted zone.
14:47 January 6, 2012 by LecteurX
@ henry1544 #25 - "I remember seeing Joschka Fisher with his helmet attacking police in his youth. Later he was foreign minister. Now try to do this if you are conservative or right wing"

In France, we have quite nice array of conservative politicians who were notorious rightwing thugs back in the 1960s, one of them is no less than our current Defence Minister Gérard Longuet, who in 1967 was condemned for assaulting a leftwing student and leaving him in a coma:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9rard_Longuet

Other such politicians include Hervé Novelli, Patrick Devedjian, Alain Madelin, who all belong to Sarkozy's party and all were Ministers at some point in the last 15 years. I'm sure the same is true in Germany as well, if you look hard enough. Don't we have members of the Piratenpartei who were in the NPD before? So, why do you need to lie? "the left controls the government" - well, go tell Sarkozy, Merkel or Cameron then, I think they would disagree but obviously you know better than them all.

"people waving communist flags in the streets and having pictures of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot on placards". In Germany, this is allowed. On the other hand, calling yourself "national socialist underground" is forbidden by the German Constitution. Have a problem with German law because of this? Well, too bad for you, I don't think German law was written to accommodate you.

"I always wondered about this doublestandard on nazis vs muslims". Although this statement shows your abysmal ignorance of some basic things, I'll keep it simple: Being "muslim" = legal. Being nazi = illegal. Still more problems with German law? I'm sorry for these "poor nazis".

Yes, all extremism is bad, rightwing, leftwing, religious, any. This precise article here is about rightwing extremism, but there are many others about leftwing extremism or talibans or whatever. So why do you insist on whining on off-topic issues?

If a team of doctors finally found a definitive cure to AIDS, would you whine because they failed to address malaria instead, just because you've seen people infected with malaria? That would be quite silly indeed, eh? But that's exactly what you're doing right now.

You're a bit confused in your mind.
19:44 January 6, 2012 by henry1544
@ LecteurX

You had some good information about the French politicians there, thank you for that!

But you seem very one-sided and do not want to see that the left side is the ones who now have to accept their own history of violence and supporting terror regimes.The right side have been apologizing and repenting for a long time. Even the normal conservatives.

The right are being attacked for some of their past with "racist", "Hitler" analogies etc, all the time, as they should be if they go in that direction. So why is not the left put through this too? Because they have the media, the political power and the universities. They opened our borders without asking us, they allowed islam into Europe without asking us and they call anybody who questions this policy, "racist", "haters" or "nazis". After a while, these people will act like nazis. Like I said in a earlier post, it's human nature.

You found some politicians with bad pasts, and I¨m amazed that they can have careers after such actions. I dont' condone it, but it seems you think I do, because I'm on the "right" side. That is wrong. I don't condone violence on either side. But this is typical left-side thinking. You have to stop that, if we are ever to progress.

Nazism is maybe forbidden in Germany, but not in large parts of Europe, and not in my country. Piratenpartei is a fringe party, no? I'm talking the BIG parties, the social democrats that for the most part run Europe. If you think Merkel, Sarkozy and Cameron are "right wing" you need to read up some more! They are very left, but have had to come into the centre because of the rise of the right, and are scared to lose voters! People have had enough.

Why is it forexample not forbidden to be a communist in Germany? It's this doublestandard that I want out. If they forbid the swastika, why not the red flag of Soviet Union too?

Why is it "whining" if I want to look AT THE BIG PICTURE, instead of, like you, look at things certain through a magnifying glass? You will never understand politics and how to solve them if you all the time just look at one and one topic and subject and never want to connect the dots. Like this article. There is a reason why right wing parties and organisations are on the rise, but you don't seem interested in why this is happening, and call this "whining"?

The doctor analogy was really bad. And stop with the personal insults, it just makes me not want to debate you.
00:09 January 7, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ henry1544

I am still waiting for proofs of your statements. "The left controls the media, the government, the universities, the unions." Really? Somebody should tell Angela Merkel and CDU that they represent the interests of the (extreme) left. I am surprised that you did not list also the associations of employers among the ones controlled by the (extreme) left. So, when will you actually support your statements with figures and facts? And please address the reality in Germany as this is the subject of the article. Left and right, conservative, socialist and liberal differ substantially in Germany, Romania or USA for example.

Decisions like opening the borders were taken in Germany without asking you because you are not German. Otherwise, they were taken through the democratic system which works for quite a while in Germany.

I am not saying that Antifa is non-violent (I actually said two times that they use vandalism and non-lethal violence). I just contradicted you when you said that Antifa "advocate mass killings of non-communists and re-education camps for those who are accepted". As you cannot name a specific website to do that, I would say you were wrong but refuse to recognise that.

The extreme right is repenting? Yeah, sure, just like reported in today's article http://www.thelocal.de/society/20120106-39949.html.

Left is not bad. Center is not bad. Right is not bad. Extremism (left or right) is bad.
00:28 January 7, 2012 by Drdarby
Left wing extremest pussys afraid to ID themselves. These are the people too lazy to get out of moms basement to Occupy. Social losers that lose half their sex life when they break a hand
20:32 January 7, 2012 by Matt in Florida
This is nothing but a ADL & Southern Poverty Law Center scam to raise funds for their left wing causes. Isrealis getting money piad to surf the web to prop out feeling for their corrupt state.
23:13 January 7, 2012 by PierceArrow
I wonder how many Ron Paul supporters were on the Thor Steinar customer list.
20:28 January 8, 2012 by henry1544
@ ChrisRea.

Thelocal.de denies me to make many links as the website thinks its spam, so just copy paste the sentence into google and go straight to the articles.

Media is left:

Two links from the US.

"Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist"

"The leftwing bias of the American mass media is pervasive and quantifiable".

Media in Norway votes left:

"As with other related countries, the Norwegian media is often criticized of being biased towards the political left. This has been proven by political scientist Frank Aarebrot as being clearly true, in terms of both Norwegian journalists and editors."

Government is "left":

From BBC News profile about the German government:

"Mrs Merkel, leader of the conservative Christian Democrats (CDU), first took office in an 2005. As a result of the vote's close result, she became chancellor in a "grand coalition" involving the CDU, its Christian Social Union (CSU) allies and the centre-left Social Democratic Party (SPD). "

From Wikipedia about the German government:

"There is a multi-party system that, since 1949, has been dominated by the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD)."

Fear among investors that Germany is going left:

"The rise of the new Left party has upset the German political landscape, raising investor fears of government instability and a reversal of economic reforms after next year's federal election."

The British government allowed for uncontrolled immigration to "rub" the rights noses and have more voters as immigrants overwhelmingly vote socialist:

"Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country, a former Government adviser has revealed."

Who asked the British people? No one. Who asked the German people? No one. They just DID IT.

Violence by the "left" side against police. PDF file:

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/germany/crime.pdf

Here's an article from Thelocal.de itself:

"The left-wing extremist scene is made up of a very heterogeneous group of people with different ideological views,¦quot; says Stefan Ruppert, an expert on extremism and an MP for the pro-business Free Democratic Party."

"Last year on May 1 in Berlin, police were deliberately attacked to a degree that could have had fatal consequences,¦quot; police union head Rainer Wendt told The Local. In their expressions of violence, the extreme left and extreme right are barely distinguishable from one another.¦quot;

Antifa are not "isolated" as just anti-fascists! They are also communists and anarchists. And what do communists want? Revolution! What has revolutions brought us in the past? Mass murder and re-education camps.

Look at the links and people they work with on their website. They are all under the same "umbrella". Antifascists, antiracists, communists, socalists, occupy movements etc.
11:18 January 9, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ henry1544

So you say that a government where a leftist party have some (not even the majority) of portfolios is controlled by leftist forces? That's quite a laugh. I guess the opposite claim could also be made. And if we talk about present, there is no leftist in the government.

So you could not provide any article about leftist controlling the universities or the media in Germany. Is it because in Germany they are controlled by the right?

"Antifa are not "isolated" as just anti-fascists! They are also communists and anarchists."

Really? Do you have any proofs or is just one of your "opinions"? What Antifa website could you give as example?
11:19 January 9, 2012 by LecteurX
@ henry1544 - the doctor analogy was extremely to the point.

Your "look at the big picture" obsession is just a way to ignore the precise problem at hand because it is distasteful to you. Well, I'm sorry to tell you that even if the swastika is allowed in whichever country you live in, then it is forbidden in Germany, France and many continental European nations. That's the law here, man, live with it or go away. Most Germans are very happy with this and they certainly won't change the law to suit you, no matter how badly you want this "out", I'm afraid.

I never implied you condone violence: you said you don't so that's enough for me. So please don't quote me with any nonexistent thought or words (I could whine, henry1544-style - "this is SO typical of the right, to invent falsehoods and then divert the debate about these nonexistent things"): what I simply did was to put FACTS in front to your notions, to rebut your lies with simple facts. And I will rebut yet another foolish lie of yours: "The right are being attacked for some of their past with "racist", "Hitler" analogies etc, all the time, as they should be if they go in that direction. So why is not the left put through this too?"

Well, ask Mr Jospin, who was Prime Minister in France from 1997 to 2002. His Trotskyist past of the 1960s haunted him decades later on, and the media had no problem reporting it widely. But what, were you sleeping back then? Or is it that you just forget stories that do not fit into your worldview?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1371445.stm

Of course you can disregard this evidence because anything coming from BBC is probably too "leftwing" in the first place...

Your "proof" that government is leftwing is so laughable. FYI since 2009 Merkel has been governing Germany without the SPD, did you know? And since 2010 Labour has been out of power in Britain. Slept through the last couple of years or what?

In Germany, there has been 181 murders committed by rightwing fanatics since reunification in late 1990. It's all over the web and I will give the link on this site as often as necessary:

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article13725571/181-Todesopfer-durch-rechte-Gewalt-in-Deutschland.html

So even if violent leftwings fanatics have to be dealt with and punished, fighting people who don't mind killing pregnant women or burning 4-year-old girls alive with all means legal is a splendid fight.

You live in a parallel world made up of your own delusions and fantasies, where facts are there only to be ignored. I have nothing more to say to someone who can put a straight face and claim that Sarkozy and Cameron are "very left". And you know nothing about Germany, can't speak German, and don't even live here, so it's me who will now stop wasting my time with you. I wish you a bright good day of sunshine - hopefully that will dispel the clouds of fear and hatred that seem to permanently obscure your confused mind.
14:21 January 10, 2012 by henry1544
Ok, I just wrote a long post, but this site says max 3 000 characters and no links - rejects them as "spam".

So here is the really short version:

@ ChrisRea and @ Lecterur X (You both seem to sit in the same boat).

Todays European "centre", the liberals, the labour parties, the socialists...they just changed their name after the war. Today they are the "Workers party" or "Labour party" or "SOCIAL/Christian democrats". In addition to this they create coalitons with green, radical left and openly communist parties,

Put the sentences with " " into the Google search engine for the articles:

Britain:

"The Labour Party is a centre-left social democratic and democratic socialist party in the United Kingdom"

Germany:

"Germany usually consists of a coalition of a major and a minor party, most typically CDU/CSU and FDP, or a 'red-green alliance"

How do you answer the fact that somewhere between 50 and 60 million muslims have come to Europe in the last 50 years? How do you answer the fact that only the fascist and the nazi governments have ever stood trial for war crimes and not communist, who killed even more people?

Universities are not left?

"The best and most comprehensive analysis of that left-bias comes from the United States. A recent US study found that 72 per cent of 1,643 academics identified themselves as being ¦#39;liberal' in the US sense and only 15 per cent as being ¦#39;conservative'."

"Saha found that just over 50 per cent of academics at the University of Sydney identified their political ideology as ¦quot;left¦quot;, compared with only 11.5 per cent of the general population"

"THE LEFT-WING takeover of American universities is an old story. In 1951, William F. Buckley Jr. created a sensation with "God and Man at Yale," which documented the socialist and atheist worldview"

"The National Union of Teachers: Promoting Far-Left Ideology"

"Left-wing education ideology, which under the banner of ¦#39;equality¦#39; had produced a ¦#39;culture of excuses¦#39; which kept ¦#39;poor ­children poor¦#39;".

Try to go into any University in Europe today and jon a student union. Tell them you are conservative, against mass immigration and for the abolisment of the nanny state. See how far you get.

EU promotes left wing ideology:

"Brussels is pouring nearly £20million a year from its human rights budget on lecturing the Americans on left-wing causes."

Denmark just elected it's left wing government. Look at the "fact box" on the right side of the article....and tell med this is not the "same people" who rule the rest of the European countries as well.

http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/2011/october/denmark-forms-left-wing-government/72174.aspx

The most dangerous alliance is however how the left and socialist governments have embraced the islam. Now how that is a marriage made in hell!
16:25 January 11, 2012 by LecteurX
You're a bore and you ignore the questions that are asked to you. You call the Piratenpartei a "fringe group" when they get 3 times as many votes as all the nationalist rightwing parties combined in Berlin. If the people had "had enough" as you say, then they would take the chance to vote massively for these nationalistic parties which currently garner 2-4% of the votes in Germany. Or maybe you don't like the way German people vote? Should they be "re-educated" to vote in the "right" way as they did back in the 1930s? Then I'm sure you'd be pleased, wouldn't you?

"How do you answer the fact that somewhere between 50 and 60 million muslims have come to Europe in the last 50 years?" Well, I would if it WERE a fact in the first place. But it's not. There are approximately 16 million muslims living in the EU as of now, who are the immigrants or their descendants. Another 35 million muslims live in places in Europe where they have been for centuries, like former Yugoslavia, Russia and the Caucasus. Why do you lie so much? Are you just stupid or plainly evil?

"How do you answer the fact that only the fascist and the nazi governments have ever stood trial for war crimes and not communist, who killed even more people?"

Sorry? I see this is some more of your fact-free fantasies. What about Erich Honecker, the GDR-president who fled to Moscow and then to Chile to avoid prosecution? What about Egon Krenz who was sentenced to six and a half years in prison for manslaughter, for his role in the crimes of the East-German regime? There have been quite a few others, including the Ceausescus or Romania. Is this all news to you?

Why is it wrong that Denmark elected a leftwing government? They had a rightwing one for the 10 years before that, and actually one of the most rightwing in Europe? Again, you don't like the way Danes vote in their own country? Sorry for you.

You're a silly, confused person. You have answered nothing of the clear questions asked to you, which speaks very badly of your limited intelligence. There's no way to reason someone out of something they haven't been reasoned into in the first place. I have no more time to waste on you. Goodbye.
23:04 January 11, 2012 by henry1544
@ Lecteur X

I'm sorry that you feel the need for personal insults and not dignifying my questions with any real answers. Instead you go on rants and pick on single issues like the "piratenpartei" and base your whole argument on them, while I talk about big governments and the lefts overrepresentation in the EU.

Again, I'm talking about THE BIG PICTURE. Let's just go over it again.

No communist regime in Europe have ever stood trial for war crimes by an international tribune.

Mass immigration to Europe by muslims has never been voted over by the people of the countries where it has been implemented.

The left side that rules today have never adressed their past flirtation and direct involvement in anti-democratic movements - on the contrary, it seems to have made them "housewarm" and given them the highest positions in power.

Schools, universities, unions and state funded organisations are 80% to the left. Some even more.

THIS IS the reason that the far-right is now coming out and getting votes and establishing themselves in Europe. The left have for too long time been running the show and have gotten too greedy, too ignorant and too power happy - they have steered their ship as titanic into an iceberg. People are fed up, they want safer streets, no more lying and greedy politicians and to stop immigration!

What will be the result if the left doesn't listen to the people - remember what happened before WW2. You don't think something like that could happen again?
06:07 January 12, 2012 by Apoc
It's good to know these red cells are just another ploy to get rid of people they don't like. It's not 1933 anymore, neo-nazis are fringe, if you wanted to play against the establishment you take down corporations not a bunch of wierdos and euro-nationalists all of whom mostly don't have much chance in winning. I heard NPD is something similar to the Paleocons of America, basically people who love freedom, and more rights. We are also discussing this matter here @ http://thebeerbarrel.net/showthread.php?10965-Stratfor-Meets-Mr-V.-Fawkes&p=58522 for those that want to join up, it's free speech forum for all ideologies.
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