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Friedrich: Muslims must help catch extremists

The Local · 29 Mar 2011, 16:01

Published: 29 Mar 2011 16:01 GMT+02:00

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The conservative minister, presenting his plans to Muslim groups at the government's so-called Islam Conference in Berlin, said he planned to promote closer cooperation between security officials and the Muslim community.

After the recent murder of two US airmen at the Frankfurt Airport by an allegedly freshly radicalized Islamist, Friedrich said more should be done to understand the hidden world of jihadists. On Tuesday he said the government and Muslims should work together to fight violent extremism.

But Muslim leaders and members of the socialist Left party accused Friedrich of misusing the Islam Conference, which was initiated in 2006 as an attempt to open a healthier dialogue with some four million Muslims living in Germany to improve their integration into society.

Sevim Dagdelen, immigration policy spokesperson for The Left, said it was discriminatory to “make a security conference out of an Islam conference.” Such an approach is more likely to breed exclusion than integration, she added.

Leader of the Central Council of Muslims (ZMD), Aiman Mazyek, called the gathering a “security and debate conference in disguise,” according to daily Rheinische Post. His organization walked away from the conference some months ago, and so far there has been no “substantial results that would advance the equality of Muslims here,” he said.

Leading the conference for the first time, the new interior minister struck a somewhat conciliatory note after reigniting a bitter debate over Islam right after taking office early this month. At the time he said the religion did not “belong” in the country, which prompted calls for him to give up responsibility for the government's dialogue with Germany's Muslim community.

But on Tuesday he acknowledged that Islam does indeed belong in Germany, evem though he told public broadcaster ARD that he continued to think that “the spiritual, religious and cultural identity of our country is defined by Western Christianity.”

General Secretary for the DITIB Turkish association, Ihsan Ünlü, told news agency DAPD that Friedrich's remarks were unfortunate and “not very beneficial to the conference.”

Meanwhile Ehrhart Körting, interior minister for the city-state of Berlin, also criticized Friedrich, saying he “hadn't exactly acted felicitously,” and had counteracted the goal of the conference.

But deputy head of Germany's AABF association for Turks from the Alevi community, Ali Ertan Toprak, called for critics to calm down and not “overvalue” the new minister's comments before giving both him and the conference a chance.

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16:23 March 29, 2011 by LiberalGuy
'Sigh" can't we go one day without a story about what some minister has to say about Muslims?

Here comes to passionate polarizing debate....

Stay tuned for fireworks
16:39 March 29, 2011 by hanskarl
No need for passionate polarizing debate, really. Face the facts their own Koran demands allegiance and if not you are no different than an infidel and worthy of death.
17:15 March 29, 2011 by mhdamro
Hey ... @hanskarl ..... i am a Muslim ... and i think you have no idea what you are talking about .... there are thousands of Muslims in the US army ... and specially in the NAVY and on the aircraft carriers currently serving their "INFIDEL" country .... so please think before you talk ... not talk before you think ...

about the thing in the Koran ... take a look at your bible and the old testament .. you will find "MANY" phrases calling for killing the other "INFIDELS" too .... but no one really cares about applying them ... its just nonsense.

it looks like the Muslims are being treated like the Jews back in the 2nd world war ....

Regards
17:18 March 29, 2011 by HANNIBAL-BARCA
Yes Hans-Peter, and Germany should do more to stop the West (whether X-tian or not), from bombing and invading Muslim countries or otherwise interfering in the internal affairs of the continent of Africa.
17:22 March 29, 2011 by freechoice
his hand gestures are betraying him on what he should do.
17:40 March 29, 2011 by fryintl
mhdamro: Yes there are Muslims serving in the US Armed forces. I think the problem is when you have people of the Muslim religion who see it as first and formost and not as being a part of seomthing else.

U see, the bible, in the old testament did talk about killing all of one's enemies. In fact, God had ordered teh Jewsd to not take anythin gfrom soem villages and kill every man woman and child and animal. But then along came a kinder and gentler New Testament that pretty much did away with that and talked about turning the other cheek. It spoke of following the laws of the land, keeping faith with God, but not breaking the laws where one was. A slight difference.

If yous ee yoruself as a muslim first, and that you must be obedient to your religious beliefs over your military order, you should not be in uniform. If you see yourself as an American first, and a muslim second, I do not see where there will be any idiological problems.

If there is to be a concensus in Germany, or anwhere,, you ahve to take advantage of any opportunity to get together and iron out the differences between two groups. So it is wrong for the Muslims to step away from this conference and say they will not talk or negotiate. You see they are the ones who want something from the German society- Germany doesn tnee dcatholics, or protestants or muslims...they need German Citizens, law abiding citizens of any religion.

It is a matter of perspective.
17:55 March 29, 2011 by theinfo
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18:08 March 29, 2011 by Altdude
Gee, I think this little forum here is really going to open my eyes to my need to do a better job of hating. I'm just not very talented in that area, I suppose, but I can try harder. I spent a couple weeks in Jordan a few years ago and was delighted at the wonderful people I met there, even among the Muslim Brotherhood. (One told me they didn't really want to be in the majority because they would have to close down the nightclubs and bars and it would damage the economy!) And I visited an Orthodox community in Madaba where church members told me they enjoyed as much religious freedom as they might wish for, except they had to compromise with the Catholics on the establishment of religious holidays recognized by the government. Guess those Muslims really fooled me. Being a Southern American I should understand that we're all a bunch of Ku Klux Klanners below the Mason-Dixon line and should understand when someone tries to stereotype us. As I was telling my wife the other night at the Sauna, upon witnessing the rude behavior of some other Americans there, 98 percent of Americans give the rest of us a bad name.
18:27 March 29, 2011 by theinfo
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18:47 March 29, 2011 by Altdude
Well, thank you very much theinfo. You have certainly put me in my place!
19:34 March 29, 2011 by HMPingu
"Muslims must help catch extremists". Okay. How?
19:53 March 29, 2011 by xx.weirich.xx
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20:36 March 29, 2011 by Frenemy
So this guy is like a more sneaky/politically correct Peter King?! Or am I reading this wrong?
21:10 March 29, 2011 by bramblebush
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21:50 March 29, 2011 by fryintl
HMPingu: Yes. If you are a good german that practices Islam, yo uhave an obligation to turn over anyone that would breech peace and security of yoru country and give those names and the facts over to the German government. If you do not do this, you put other germans and residents at risk and you are an accessory to the crime. You see, if you won't protect your fellow Germans, then you are not a real german and should not have the rights and privilleges of a legal resident or citizen.

Get with the program. Who is going to know what is going on in the closed world of Islam if not the people inside of the groups, mosques and areas where the talk and plans are made. The bad guys use our laws against us and you whine about the "Muslims must help is catch the extermeists"? The bad guys are terrorists, innocent people (unless you are one of them , then no one is innocent) will be hurt or killed. It is your duty as a legal resident or citizen of a country to help prevent that act. IF you do not, then you should leave the country and go back to whereever you came from.
23:22 March 29, 2011 by amfpol
Altdude - so are Jordanian Orthodox or Catholics allowed by law to marry women of Muslim background? If not, then how fundamentally different is Jordan from the Deep South before the 1960s??
00:36 March 30, 2011 by Frenemy
I don't know about the "deep south".... but (perhaps not "legally" speaking) but socially/practically speaking, its NOT AT ALL different from the "shallow south" (VA,WV, NC, SC, etc) right now.... (self-propagating racism is running rampant in the "land of the free"......again!)
00:46 March 30, 2011 by xx.weirich.xx
Wow these people sure do love their comment deleting... I guess it's a good thing that I don't post the stuff on here that I do on other sites. Someone would have a coronary -.- God bless net neutrality. Or at least the sites that have it.

I'm sure someone will probably start crying about it being hate speech, but I feel it is my duty to mention...

"it looks like the Muslims are being treated like the Jews back in the 2nd world war ..."

What a ridiculous comment that was. I mean, really?! Are you kidding me?! Is anybody rounding up muslims and massacring them? No. So clearly, muslims now and the Jews in WWII are being treating very similarly -.- give me a break.

This forum is ridiculous.
02:46 March 30, 2011 by Sam Green
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08:46 March 30, 2011 by wenddiver
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09:14 March 30, 2011 by Krim
When these ministers do not have serious things to say or innovative initiatives to start with they turn to the Muslims to fill their agenda.

First of all "Muslims must help catch extremists" means that Muslims are all criminals and they know about these terrorists and do not inform the authorities.

It is like a Muslim father who´s son was rapped by a German goes on a channel and says." German must help catch pedophiles". This can by the way be true after the scandals in schools, church, and this has been going for many years.

The common sens is not as common.
10:12 March 30, 2011 by Gilly58
It is not about religion if you ask me, it is about education, and it would seem that our intellectual, intelligent folks of our great nations have learned absolutely nothing over the past as history just keeps on repeating itself. Essentially there are no real winners in this global conflict of interest, just losers. Why in our childrens names can we not just educate our societies to respect each others differences and learn to live with them, many countries already have good integration and the United Kingdom has been a leading multicultural society for decades. Surely we have the ability and the will to educate the lesser fortunate folk amongst us. Equally however, the world must be totally unanimous in its efforts to condemn those who still wish to continue to disrespect and disrupt each others societies. If Germany, China and Russia for example, had chosen not to abstain from the UNSCR 1973 the message to the current Lybian regime could have been different and maybe ended the stand off without a single coalition bullet being fired. Global unionism against rogue states and civilian oppression should send a clear and decisive message to those regimes that the civilised world is committed and determined to protect innocent human beings wishing for a better way of life. Surely there is enough wealth in the world to cater for everyone, providing the worlds civilised nations are prepared to unanimously agree on mandates and enforce if necessary against those regimes that chose to oppress its own people.
10:56 March 30, 2011 by Angry Ami
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13:28 March 30, 2011 by michael4096
If guys like Friedrich and Sarrazin really want muslims to integrate, why do they keep disenfranchising them? Or, for example, as a driver, am I supposed to look for and report suspicious driving behaviour?

@LiberalGuy - your prediction was correct

But, don't bully the The Local too much. For want of wanton firearms use, foreign military reports and other murder and mayhem, this counts as news in germany - and, I for one am quite happy it stays that way.
02:39 March 31, 2011 by DOZ
No, it's not their problem. It's the West's problem since they created it with their Foriegn Policies.
09:33 March 31, 2011 by ECSNatale
the United Kingdom has been a leading multicultural society for decades"

That's funny.
06:03 April 1, 2011 by wenddiver
When it comes to the help Muslims are providing in hunting down Islamic errorists the Majority opinion seems to be:

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Censorship is a type of Cultural terrorism, as it attempts to suppress Free speech with arbitrary power and highlights only the censor's inability to defend their indefensible position. It highlites that most people know the truth, whether the censor chooses to reject it or not.
12:41 April 1, 2011 by Englishted
It is like a Muslim father who´s son was rapped by a German goes on a channel and says." German must help catch pedophiles". This can by the way be true after the scandals in schools, church, and this has been going for many years.

Krim since when are muslims a race ?.

02:39 March 31, 2011 by DOZ

No, it's not their problem. It's the West's problem since they created it with their Foriegn Policies.

Before 11th September , what were they then?

Please remember Islam attacked Europe (moors in Spain) before any crusade was under way ,come back if you can prove me wrong.
00:19 April 3, 2011 by FN Cee
Try and remember every Muslim wants every non-believer and apostate dead ... which is why there will never be any meaningful self-policing in the community of Islam. When you understand taqiyya, you understand why the "Islamic Issue" is existential.
17:38 April 3, 2011 by Penfire
This is an old and stale argument comparing the Holy Bible, in particular the Old Testament or the Jewish Torah with Christianity.

Christians do believe that the Torah is the Word of God and that all these things happened as told in the Torah or our Old Testament. But we do not believe that God has commanded us to kill anyone as we do not worship God as the Hebrews of the Old Testament. We worship Him according to the New Covenant that the book of Isaiah teaches would replace the Hebrew Covenant of Moses as far as the sacrificial system established in the Torah (Old Testament). The Mosaic Covenant will yet be fulfilled as far as the return of Christ (Messiah) to judge the world. Therefore, we do not worship God as the Hebrews did in the Torah. We recognize Jesus Christ(as His Name is translated from the Greek manuscripts into English)as the Messiah of the Torah or Old Testament and beleive that He will return, soon, to gather His people, living and dead, in a miraculous way, ushering them into eternal life in His presence. We believe He will establish His Kingdom on earth and that all believers will reign with Him, yet subject to Him, during the judgment of the world.

The teachings of Jesus, our Lord and Savior and soon coming King, were summed up by Him when He said that the greatest commandment is to "love the Lord your God with all of your heart, mind, soul and strenghth, and the second is like it, love your neighbor as you love yourself". He also taught us to love our enemies, to bless those who curse us and say all manner of evil against us. Nowhere in the New Covenant did he teach His followers to kill another human being. Christians honor, respect and strive to keep the Ten Commandments, one of which is, "You shall not murduer". Christians may defend themselves and their families, be drawn into a war by their government and keep the law of their land when it is not opposed to the Law of God. In as much as we are able we strive to obey the commands of God to love Him with all of our being and to love our neigbor, all people with whom we come into contact, as we love ourselves. As human beings, we are not perfect, be we (practicing Christians) seek to love everyone and to help them in every way that we can, with sincrety and love for God, not in order to get to heaven or to please people. We do it to because He lives in our hearts by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

We are not under the command of God to kill those who do not believe as we do, but we are commanded to tell others what we believe is God's plan for the salvation of all mankind, to believe that Jesus is the Son of God, equal with God and through faith in Him we are, spiritually, one with God.

We believe our bodies will be resurrected and that we will live again and that we will recognize the OT saints and our friends and loved ones who are also in heaven.

This is what Christians believe.
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