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Talk begins about a Guttenberg comeback

The Local · 2 Mar 2011, 07:34

Published: 02 Mar 2011 07:34 GMT+01:00

"I hope that we keep him as a politician and see his return as soon as possible," Hans-Peter Uhl, the domestic affairs spokesperson of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives in parliament, said in the Wednesday edition of the daily Mitteldeutsche Zeitung.

"There are cases of politicians who did much worse things than him and who returned to the political stage."

Peter Altmaier, the Christian Democratic parliamentary whip, also said he can imagine Guttenberg returning to politics in the foreseeable future.

"The number of political talents we have is limited," he told news channel n-tv. "He'll need some time to reflect on things and gather himself. Then he'll decide if he wants to again play a role in our political system."

"If he does, he'll have that opportunity," Altmaier added.

Political comebacks after disgrace are not uncommon in Germany. Current Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble stumbled in 2000 due to a donations scandal. He returned to the political stage in 2005.

Cem Özdemir of the Greens resigned as domestic affairs spokesperson for his party in 2002 in the wake of revelations about the personal use of frequent-flyer miles earned on official trips. Today he is the party's co-chair.

According to political scientist Gerd Langguth from the University of Bonn, Guttenberg will not likely stay out of the public eye for long. He told the Wednesday edition of the Thüringer Allgemeine newspaper that he sees a comeback in about three years.

He said he could imagine Guttenberg following in the footsteps of Horst Seehofer and becoming Bavarian premier or the head of the Christian Social Union (CSU).

Langguth said Guttenberg's "honourable statements" on Tuesday had made such a return feasible.

On Tuesday evening, Chancellor Angela Merkel went on the offensive regarding her defense of the former Minister. She called the opposition's frequent and vocal criticism of Guttenberg during the plagiarism scandal both hypocritical and phony.

"No one needs to explain to us the meaning of fairness and honour," she said at a campaign event for the conservative Christian Democratic Union in Karlsruhe before state elections later this month.

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She said with Guttenberg's resignation, the conservatives had lost a man who had "always touched the hearts of of party members."

Germany's ruling coalition is expected to decide on a new Defence Minister on Wednesday.

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Your comments about this article

08:46 March 2, 2011 by pepsionice
My bet? He goes off to the UK for two years and spends it at some university. Call it a recovery phase. But he does an entire masters degree program....quietly. He walks back into Germany and immediately publishes his thesis online. Then he goes through a three year program of walking and speaking around the country as a private citizen only. At the end of this five years of exile....the CDU asks him to come back and run.....and he locks in almost fifty percent of the vote at an unbelievable election.

For those laughing....keep laughing as other members of the Bundestag are asked to produce their thesis papers now, and everyone starts to freak out (even from the SPD and Greens) that they will be next in this game of "outing" the graduates. We will end up with some SPD plumber from Munich running things for a while while everyone thinks college graduates are mostly all liars.

As for Guttenberg....I don't think you can find anyone much else that can stand up in a debate and argue down to the real points of a problem. This unique talent makes him the "comeback kid" no matter how you view this thesis game.
08:53 March 2, 2011 by Krim
I think he should first give an explanation in order to close the chapter for good.

One Statement would be:

- I did the big mistake of my life by paying some one to write, assemble, copy/paste this thesis. I apologize and I need a second chance.

or

- I did the big mistake of my life by copy/pasting different pieces from different sources during 7 years. I apologize.

Then he will be free and no one will keep asking, cultivating this affair.

Then he needs to work behind the scene and let time works for him. I am sûre people will accept him and he will have a bright future.
11:15 March 2, 2011 by Surferjoe
What do you bet Guttenberg himself has orchestrated the bring back Guttenberg chatter. Talk about the undead - someone drive a stake through his heart.
11:23 March 2, 2011 by munchingmuschiinmünchen
Well, he has resigned! feel free to come back whenever you please Herr zu Guttenberg. How people will receive you then is a different issue. We will deal with that if, and when it happens.
11:48 March 2, 2011 by auniquecorn
Maybe I can help write his next thesis.

Deutschland, Deutschland, Where art thou Deutschland,

Ich habe einen Traum, ich bin ein Berliner. und Ja, wir können.
12:46 March 2, 2011 by The-ex-pat
As a LBA licensed aircraft engineer, if I committed fraud to obtain my qualifications, three things would happen. Firstly I would never, ever work in the aircraft industry again, secondly, I would be facing a prison sentence and thirdly every person leaving a comment would be going on about endangered lives and potential aircraft crashes. This guy fraudulently obtains a qualification and a lot of people can't understand why he has gone and what a shame it is. The double standards are incredible.

So what I suggest for politicians is the Lie and Fraud Scale. Lets say from one to ten. That way we will have a hard and fast standard to judge a lie or fraud and can then give each point a punishment from a white lie slap on the wrist to flagrant lie or fraud with the only possibility to resign. So as long as a politician remains below level 7 or so, he can tell as many lies as he likes. We know he is a liar, but is good at his job so it is OK that he lies in public office....
12:55 March 2, 2011 by munchingmuschiinmünchen
@The-ex-pat,

the difference btn your job and KTzG is that, clearly you on the one hand can only work as an aircraft engineer based on set out qualifications. zu Guttenberg on the other, is an elected politician and a doctorate is NOT a qualification to hold any political office- minister, burgermeister or Chancellor. Him stepping down is even a feather in his cap. A REAL politician would not step down.

He is no different from a student who plagiarized a term paper in some university somewhere. The equivalent punishment of failing aplagiarized paper has been handed out- doctorate stripped. So the jail term and other things you mentioned do not apply here!
13:00 March 2, 2011 by Jerr-Berlin
What are his qualifications? He's a typical supercilious,arrogant, elitist, empty-suit jerk...
13:33 March 2, 2011 by munchingmuschiinmünchen
@ Jerr-Berlin, shut up, let grown ups discuss profitably!
14:04 March 2, 2011 by Surferjoe
Ha! Guttenberg may be free to come back whenever he pleases but no responsible party would touch him with a 10 foot pole after what he's done. And rightfully so, silly talk to the contrary.
16:18 March 2, 2011 by munchingmuschiinmünchen
As things look, there is no political comeback for KTzG. He has gone into entrepreneurship,

http://www.konsumer.info/?p=15528

T-shirts and mugs are also available!
18:52 March 2, 2011 by rjones857
Hello surfurjoe: I urge you to read the article, I copied and pasted this for just you to counter your question of returning to political stage...

"I hope that we keep him as a politician and see his return as soon as possible," Hans-Peter Uhl, the domestic affairs spokesperson of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives in parliament, said in the Wednesday edition of the daily Mitteldeutsche Zeitung.

"There are cases of politicians who did much worse things than him and who returned to the political stage."
19:22 March 2, 2011 by Beca
Comeback for KTzG??? No way!. The man lost his credibility and politically speaking, That is everything, this story will follow him in all aspect of his life !!.

Who has believe two times in Santa Claus???? , Hmm... Nobody...

The magic has gone. So for KTzG , the game is over. Even privately, I bet , all clients will be VERY reluctant to make business with him , oand if they do so , they will be very cautiious because a succesful partnership in Business is based on TRUST + MONEY. And has prooved to be very weak in the "Trust" department.
21:08 March 2, 2011 by fryintl
Surferjoe- I have heard some serious BS before, but your opinion and comments take the cake. GERMANY loves KTzG. Also, facebook has seen a huge rise in his popularity. The fact is this guy will come back and is going to be huge. As stated above, he took it on the chin, stepped down and if he has Balls of Steel, he will take the lumps and come back, not for his own glory, but because Germany needs him.

Beca: Sorry, but if the people need him, and support him, he will be back. ANd if they make a big fuss over him and push him back out in the political front, I tell you he will be even bigger because of the error. So while time will tell whatever will be his future, one thing can be assured- the most important people in his ministry- the soldiers, loved him and that says a great deal. We don't just give our love freely like drunken whores.

To get a soldier's respect and love, you have to earn it through deeds and actions, not through political empty speeches.

In the end, I pray that whatever is best for Germany happens, it is all that is important. After the Frankfurt debacle, two Americans murdered by what will probably be a terrorist, germany needs strong men of integrity in the seat of the defense ministry . Argue if you wish the plagerizing charge, but if it wasn't intentional, and just an oversight, he still has more integrity than many sitting Pols in most countries.
22:22 March 2, 2011 by rjones857
At the time he took on the defense portfolio, Strauss, at 41, was the youngest minister to hold that position till Guttenberg, at 38, took on the job in 2009.

Comparisons between the two are interesting.

Each took on the defense portfolio at crucial times in the evolution of Germany¦#39;s defense forces.

Just as Strauss faced negative publicity in his drive to build the strength of Germany¦#39;s fledgling postwar military force, so has Guttenberg since the day he took over the Defense Ministry and started to reform it.

This latest scandal, however, has shown that the seemingly untouchable rising star of German politics is, after all, human. Though he has shown his preparedness to meet his accusers head on, he is now revealed as sufficiently human as to make mistakes, humble enough to apologize for them and accept the penalty by withdrawing gracefully from political office.

It will be interesting to see both the public and the political response to this revelation of Guttenberg¦#39;s human side once the dust has settled. Chances are it will further endear him to a majority adoring public. Can anyone say AMEN...
23:59 March 2, 2011 by Wim van Couveren
It has not yet been cleared whether he jumped or was in fact pushed - if the later, then he will have a lot of rebuilding to do inside the CSU.

Because of the opportunist that he is, he may even try to return earlier rather than later.

Then maybe he can try again to get a ¦quot;Ronnie Reagan¦quot; Strasse in Berlin ­ one German loser admires a former American loser ­ what a joke!
00:56 March 3, 2011 by Surferjoe
Of course he was pushed. He tried to put his head down and bull his way through but his party was suffering too much damage and told him to leave. By the way I would hardly call President Reagan a loser when he was instrumental in the dissolution of the Soviet empire for which every single person on the planet owes him their thanks. A Reagan Strasse in Berlin would be the least the city could do in his memory.
01:33 March 3, 2011 by Wim van Couveren
Guttenberg and other conservative politicians would have us think that the former US president ­ who died in 2004 ­ somehow had some influence on the fall of the Berlin wall because of a famous photo-ops scene which he held in front of the Berlin wall in 1987.

It was the internal forces inside the Soviet Union and all of Eastern Europe itself ­ namely people who forced their own government¦#39;s departure and demanded their own freedom. It had nothing to do with some opportunist ¦#39;cold-war¦#39; sponsored photo-op with Ronnie Reagan.

There was never any apparent or any perceived portent revelations from the leader of the so-called ¦#39;free-world¦#39; which made them take this action.

It was their own determination to take matters in their own hands and the inability of the former rulers to appease or assuage these grievances that caused the fall of the wall and this was more in spite of and not because of Mr Reagan.

Even with a lot of wishful thinking this all had very little to do with the dull-witted right-wing ideologue Ronald Reagan who was almost as stupid as George W Bush.
07:02 March 3, 2011 by hOU
I always said politics is for losers ...

:( LOL
10:02 March 3, 2011 by EVANGELIST, MICHAEL J FRANCIS
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14:38 March 3, 2011 by rjones857
I offer this web address to those who wish to look at Guttenberg's role from a biblical perspective. http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=8045.6670.0.0 - copy and paste the link to your browser.

Micheal I agree with most of what you say in Guttenberg's possible role but as to the definition of the Antichrist, there is reason to believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the Antichrist. I suggest that you continue your study with an open mind on the subject because God has continually shown that we as human beings have a finite understanding of his true purpose and teaching in the scriptures.
22:35 March 3, 2011 by Surferjoe
You need to lean a little respect Wlm van Couveren. Reagan had everything to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union. He spent them into oblivion by pushing his Star Wars defense agenda and they could not keep up so the system went to pieces. Of course there were other factors involved but if it weren't for RR you'd be speaking russian right now, assuming you live here in europe.
23:46 March 3, 2011 by rjones857
Evangelist Micheal: This is a discussion of Heir Guttenberg. Please stay on subject.

I firmly believe Mr Guttenberg will be back and much sooner than we can speculate.

He is the darling of the political elite and they want him back. I believe he will [may] be the next Chancellor...
19:34 March 4, 2011 by rjones857
Here is more possible proof that Mr Guttenberg will be back and stronger than ever...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wir-wollen-Guttenberg-zur%C3%BCck/136786223053705 copy and paste this to your browser
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