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Neo-Nazis and protestors fill a tense Dresden

The Local · 19 Feb 2011, 13:30

Published: 19 Feb 2011 13:30 GMT+01:00

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Up to 6,000 neo-Nazis are expected to take part in the marches through the city, while up to 20,000 anti-Nazi protestors are also expected. Last weekend 17,000 Dresden residents formed a human chain to show their disdain for the far right.

Fighting had already broken out between demonstrators and police by lunchtime on Saturday, with the police using pepper spray and a water cannon. Some witnesses said demonstrators threw fireworks at the police.

A police spokesman said thousands of left-wing anti-fascists were streaming into the city, some of whom could be prepared to use violence.

Politicians attending the anti-Nazi demonstration included Wolfgang Thierse, deputy parliamentary president. “It must proceed absolutely peacefully,” he said, calling for protesters to remain calm.

Thierse, a member of the Social Democratic Party, was joined by Saxony-Anhalt Interior Minister Holger Hövelmann, a party colleague, and fellow Deputy Parliamentary President Katrin Göring Eckardt from the Green Party as well as Left Party member Petra Pau.

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15:39 February 19, 2011 by Bruno53
If Germans in general never let those dirty neonazis monopolize the remembrance of the air firebombing of Dresden then I can say the German people has learned the Nazism is evil. Those are the ones who caused this ugly tragedy. Don't blame the Allies.
16:23 February 19, 2011 by Frenemy
I'm neo-nazi, but thats like saying "corporate greed and brutal capitalist foreign policies caused 9/11, don't blame al qaeda"!

The brutal murder (read "strategic bombing") of unarmed civies is wrong....period!
16:40 February 19, 2011 by LiberalGuy
@Frenemy

Though I completely disagree with everything you believe in, with every fibre of my being.

I respect and appreciate that you have the guts to come out and say you area neo-nazi. Others should take your lead.
18:14 February 19, 2011 by wood artist
I think there are two issues here, and they really aren't polar opposites.

The first, and perhaps obvious one, is that the latest incarnation of the Nazi legacy is just as unpleasant as the original. It has nothing to do with the memory of Dresden or anyplace else. Politically, it represents a world that I doubt most of us ever which to revisit.

That said, the attack on Dresden would have been classified as a War Crime, if the Nürnberg Tribunal didn't have a clause that said only Germany can be tried. It was utterly unjustified, and even if we accept the idea, often proposed, that it was planned to stop the movement of reinforcements to the eastern front, that wasn't the area that was targeted. The premise was a lie, and then the raids didn't even follow the premise! Sorta like Bush in Iraq, but let's not go there, okay?

In Dresden, the city and its civilian population suffered tremendously, even though it never needed to happen, and didn't hasten the end of the war.

Both the party and those raids are wrong, but they have little to do with each other directly. I can, however, certainly understand why people find these particular marches so offensive.

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20:16 February 19, 2011 by JAMessersmith
Look, I'm a far cry from a neo-Nazi, but I don't see the world as black and white. In other words, not every instance of needless slaughter on the part of the Allies can be blamed on Hitler. In the case of Dresden, Hitler's armies had been long since neutralized, and burning a great cultural center like Dresden to the ground served no strategic purpose whatsoever. It was nothing more than revenge for Coventry, Warschau, Rotterdam, St. Petersburg, etc... which is understandable, but technically no more legal under the rules of war than what Hitler did to Coventry, Warschau, Rotterdam, St. Petersburg, etc.. The women and children of Dresden were not Hitler, and played little part, if any, in the destruction of those aforementioned cities. Besides, if it was revenge the Allies were after, didn't they already have it in Berlin, Essen, Stuttgart, Duisberg, Hamburg, Koln, Bochum, Dortmund, Frankfurt, Kassel, Pforzheim, Mainz, etc.. ?

I personally had relatives who fought on both sides of the war, and I myself live in America, so don't think that I wouldn't have had an interest in Allied victory, had I been alive, but the non-strategic area fire-bombing that the Allies perpetrated against German cities were no more lawful than the destruction German bombers wrought upon Poland, England, or Russia. Nowadays, the US won't even area-bomb a primitive city like Kandahar in order to defeat or demoralize the Taliban, but they had no problem with destroying many of the gems of Europe to further demoralize an already defeated enemy. These were needless attacks, and had the Allies been forced to face the same justice system after the war, there's no way Allied air commanders wouldn't have been punished for needlessly incinerating countless women and children. Granted, it's much less unnerving to simply blame everything on Hitler, but the reality of it all wasn't so simple.
22:42 February 19, 2011 by Fritzi
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22:54 February 19, 2011 by kentchap
Of course, and the boss is always right, that's why he's boss. That's why you have to click your heels, raise your right arm, shout what you have to shout, bend over and assume the position! :-D
09:45 February 20, 2011 by catjones
6k seems like a lot. I wonder how many there are and how many showed up.
11:20 February 20, 2011 by stux
I am not a Neo-Nazi, or Antifa, but does anyone else notice how the Antifa folk are just called "protestors"?

I think that is a bunch of BS, I put those greenies in the same category as Socialist Terrorists.

To claim one of those groups is worse than the other is a bunch of cr ap. It just goes to show how far left everything is if terrorism on the left is just protesting.

Does anyone even know how that whole fight started? I do not think the guy deserved to be beaten near to death, but I am curious to know what exactly he said.

I find it interesting that even after what happened he is still fine with starting it with the guy. If anything that should be a flag that he was looking to start something. Once again, I do not condone what happened to him, just think there is more to it than just a raging neo Nazi. I am sure there is constant fighting between the groups in Berlin.

All it is is two big gangs of radical white people.

Oh, and on a second note. I know this is a generalization, but the neo nazi¦#39;s I have met throughout my life time have always come from broken homes. A couple kids from my school in the U.S. actually went to Berlin when they turned 19 to go be Nazi¦#39;s. As with most these radical groups and gangs, they give these people a place of belonging and a cause. If you had a life to live for yourself you would not need them, you would focus on your own life. That goes for both sides.

This once again shows me the hypocrisy of the left claiming violent black or immigrant criminals are only that way because they come from poverty or were not accepted by society. If a white person exhibits the same behavior it is because they are a bad human being.

Me personally, I do not care why I person behaves the way they behave. If they sell drugs, kill people, and cause problems for everyone else they should not be in our society. I don¦#39;t care if they are black, white, brown, or yellow. The reason we have a society is we do not accept those behaviors, so stop making excuses for people who exhibit them and stop dumping diversity down our throats.
12:35 February 20, 2011 by Frenemy
Re post #1: SH!T!!!!! That was an embarrassing typo. I forgot the *NO* part (I'm NO neo-nazi) too many "n"s I guess my brain messed up...

lol, I'm surprised the post wasn't censored.
15:24 February 21, 2011 by Gaffers
Frenemy...That's one mistake you don't want to repeat often :-)
07:24 February 22, 2011 by chrishale53
YOU ARE ALL MISSING THE POINT.

I suggest that very few historians would disagree that the area bombing of German cities was shameful. I think it's shameful.

I believe mechanized war is shameful. Of course, historical analysis of the Allied strategy - if you can be bothered to read it - shows why Dresden and other cities were bombed. The best account is Taylor's book. Do some homework. Hey - try Karl-Theodor's methods - use google!

Now - here's the point about the neo Nazi demonstrations in Dresden. They compare, explicitly, the Allied bombing to the Holocaust - the 'bombing holocaust'. THIS is wicked nonsense. OK why?

The Holocaust was the deliberate, planned mass liquidation of an entire ethnic or religious community. Had the 'Final Solution' been -- 'final' -- the death toll would have been unimaginable.

Note too that the German 'Hunger Plan' devised by the German army envisaged the deliberate starvation - to death - of up to 25 million people in the East. That was thankfully bungled - but more than two million Soviet POWs were murdered in German camps after 1941.

Take as an other example - the destruction of Warsaw in the autumn of 1944. This war crime was conceived to 'complete the liquidation of the Poles' - not to 'defend the Eastern front'.

The bombing and siege of Leningrad from 1941 was CONCEIVED to completely destroy this city and its people who were hel to be contaminated with the virus of 'Jewish Bolshevism'.

The Allied bombing campaign had NOTHING to do with genocide - and should never, never be compared to the Holocaust.

Let us mourn its victims. Let us not lie about its meaning.
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