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Berlin denies planning Roma deportations
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Berlin denies planning Roma deportations

Published: 17 Sep 2010 08:40 GMT+02:00
Updated: 17 Sep 2010 08:40 GMT+02:00

“There are no such considerations,” Westerwelle told broadcaster Deutschlandfunk, adding he believe there had been a “misunderstanding.”

The foreign minister’s comments came after government spokesman Steffen Seibert also said Chancellor Angela Merkel had not told Sarkozy of such plans either at the European Council or in discussions on the sidelines, as the French President had recently claimed.

Meanwhile Green party EU parliamentarian Reinhard Bütikofer called on Merkel to come out with clear statements on the Roma issue.

In an interview with daily Frankfurter Rundschau he said she must “be clear with her close friend Sarkozy” that EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding has been right to compare the Roma expulsions with the fate of millions of Roma and Jews in German-occupied Europe in World War II.

France has been under fire for weeks over Sarkozy's drive to deport Roma, previously called Gypsies, living in travelling communities in France back to Romania and Bulgaria, and Paris now faces the threat of European legal action.

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10:23 September 17, 2010 by nevskj
You must read this article, it is really interesting:

www.west-info.eu/inchiesta/
12:04 September 17, 2010 by peter douglas
Lets be realistic no one want,s to live near this camps that are set up by Roma.because we have structures and laws that guide how our cities are to be inhabited if we let every Dick and Harry set up his wagon or camp wherever he or she chooses then we should as well kiss goodbye the so called human rights and discrimation we keep talking about because sooner or later people will start putting up walls and fences to protect their properties and open spaces.Roma or no Roma no one should be allowed to break the law.its only that the French have a spine to tackle this issues unlike others who disagree and ship the Romas out at night.
12:43 September 17, 2010 by Kayak
Good on ya Pete!

"Let's be realistic..." we're all "Roma" to the super-rich.

Our slobbish ways have forced the super-rich to build perimeter walls around their dwellings, to deploy guard-dogs and security guards to keep us out.

Our recklessness and base ways make them live in a parallel world, dare I say parallel culture.

Who has the spine to tackle the middle-class?

PS - Comments are welcome from The Staff of the super-rich.

[it's called irony]
13:47 September 17, 2010 by Psychoid
Germany doesn't even have Roma camps. Sarkozy fail.

A Roma family lives in the appartment house where I live. No problems with them. Even the 4 year old daughter can talk german, while the older ones mostly talk gibberish. Though I doubt anyone of them has a legal job.
16:56 September 17, 2010 by derExDeutsche
Sarkozy needs to get with the Program. He needs to make them all Legal Voting Citizens, loyal to only his party, and then Pander to them incessantly with money mortgaged from the whole EU s future, laundered and skimmed off the top by his Poli Cronies. Duh! Even us Stooopid Americans have a President who can figu re that 1 out.
17:30 September 17, 2010 by Henckel
@Peter Douglas: The Roma often bring much of their problems upon themselves through their lifestyle. And, it has long been claimed that the Roma only pretend to adopt the religion of their country of residence. Of course, only the Roma themselves know the truth of the matter.
18:19 September 17, 2010 by recherche
I have seen ad hoc Roma camps set up by rivers in France. Roma intent on leading squalid, parallel and separate existences. Have seen Roma surviving by crime and apparently using Roma children for that purpose. It is not obvious that these are contributing folk of goodwill. It is not apparent that they mean to become a valued part of European society. It seems that they add to the burden of the police force, and add unhappiness to their victims. If Germany is not planning deportations, it should start.
19:23 September 17, 2010 by fair1day
Saving face......

Not much has changed with gypsies for the last 500 years. Crime goes up when they move in.....
21:01 September 17, 2010 by Logic Guy
Well, God cares about all humans. But no law = no civilization.

To be honest, Liberalism appears to be some sort of "Psychological Poison."
00:38 September 18, 2010 by DavidtheNorseman
@nevskj.....Thank You! I had no idea the EU were spending so much/working so hard to find a solution...43 Billion Euros...
00:42 September 18, 2010 by Dizz
And what of all the "punks" who squat in buildings, (and suddenly gain a very savvy business sense when the landlords asks them to vacate) tout tickets in the U and S Bahns, panhandle in front of shopping centres, scrape a dirty rag across your windscreen at traffic lights and camp in public parks - there was a group in a park near the Berlin Dom all summer - they'd hung plastic tarps across the trees, rolled out the sleeping bags and littered, pissed and fornicated wherever they pleased. Somehow the Berliners all love them and admire their "alternative" lifestyle. And of course they are white.

Standards. How nice to have more than one.
01:39 September 18, 2010 by rfwilson
@Dizz "And of course they are white."

And so are the Roma. So what's your point?
01:50 September 18, 2010 by DrGideonPolya
Good to see Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle repudiating statements by French President Nicolas Sarkozy that Germany is planning deportations of Roma people. Good to see Green party EU parliamentarian Reinhard Bütikofer and EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding strongly opposing the Roma deportations.

In recognition of the WW2 Holocaust (30 million Slavs, Jews and Gypsies killed) Germans adopted a post-Holocaust C4A (CAAAA) Protocol involving Cessation of the killing, Acknowledgment of the crimes, Apology, Amends and Assertion "never again to anyone".

Unfortunately the Merkel Government is grossly violating this by participation in the ongoing, US-imposed Afghan Holocaust and Afghan Genocide (post-invasion violent deaths 1 million, post-invasion non-violent deaths from deprivation 3.5 million, post-invasion under-5 infant deaths 2.4 million - 90% avoidable and due to US Alliance war crimes - and 3-4 million Afghan refugees with a further 2.5 million Pashtun refugees generated in NW Pakistan ).

Fortunately Merkel & Co have some sense of history and draw the line at deportation of Gypsies.

The Zionist Sarkozy-backed and racist Zionist (RZ)-backed US imperialists are the genocidal successors of the Nazis - post-invasion violent deaths and non-violent excess deaths associated with the Palestinian Genocide, Iraqi Genocide and Afghan Genocide now total 0.3 million, 2.5 million and 4.5 million, respectively, and refugees total 7.5 million, 5-6 million and 3-4 million, respectively.

Viviane Reding was correct to draw Nazi analogies with the Gypsy-violating policies of the racist Zionist and war monger Sarkozy running New Vichy France. Boycott France until it dumps Sarkozy and re-joins decent Humanity - "never again to anyone" and especially not to Roma.
04:13 September 18, 2010 by Gretl
DrGideonPolya - If this was still the Cold War era, I would know you were swallowing the USSR propaganda koolaid. Genocide requires trying to exterminate a while ethic group. Casualties in war does not equal genocide. Casualties resulting from rival ethnic groups fighting for power does not equal US imperialism. The ONLY way you can blame the US for current conditions is as a result of its Cold War era actions in the region. However, we did not invade Afghanistan in the 80's, it was the USSR. So the US gets blamed for NOT nation building. When are countries going to take responsibility for their own lives and their own conditions? Why does the US have to rebuild Europe, Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan? I'd rather keep the money at home for internal infrastructure repairs. Let Europe foot the bill for a change, they did such a good job in the former Yogoslavia.
05:20 September 18, 2010 by Dizz
@ rfwilson - technically they aren't, they are considered a metisse race. however you're right, it was an unnecessarily embellishment on my part.

my point is in the last line of what i wrote: dual standards for looking at essentially identical "anti-social" behaviour when committed by a local ethnic group as opposed to by a visibly non-native group. i am not talking about racism however nobody can deny that (despite the integration of the EU) xenophobia in Europe is alive and well.
06:57 September 18, 2010 by 1FCK_1FCK
Hey, let's round 'em up, put 'em in camps, then liquidate them. That's pretty much the logic behind everyone's comments here. If you don't stop it when they come for the Roma, someday they'll come for you.
18:51 September 18, 2010 by tallady
wow DrGideonPolya,,very interesting from a I assume a non German.,,are you or have you ever considered professional help with these issues
03:06 September 19, 2010 by Prufrock2010
tallady --

I'm mildly gratified to see that you are snarky with everyone with whom you disagree and not just with me. I assume that you are also non-German, because Germans have mastered the art of passive aggression whereas you are actively aggressive, a tactic that befits the self-deluded and ill-informed. You wear your bigotry like a badge of honor. A tea party awaits your inspiring presence somewhere in the Scottsdale area. Until you get there, by all means avoid those nasty buses in Rome where all those thieving Gypsies lay in wait to snatch your valuables. It won't be long before old Europe is cleansed of all the undesirable elements and it will be once again safe for white Christians.
10:36 September 19, 2010 by tallady
Prufroc,, I am also gratified that you are. I love the way you throw out that prose,its inspiring to the uneducated and self- deluded. The world needs more people like you...Dont make to many assumptions ,that could lead you down that degrading path of the ill-informed.. but not to worry I am sure regardless of the situation you could talk your way out it. you have the gift no denying that! I have picked up on your comments that you do not believe in God,is that because you replaced him?????
14:47 September 19, 2010 by Talonx
The Local needs to stop its spiritual partnership with the Fox Tabloids.

The staff should be asking itself why it attracts such awful people. Why crypto-Nazi apologists find there way to this website so often.
00:47 September 20, 2010 by deutschamer
The legacy of the Nazi's weighs most heavily on Germany, but also weighs on the rest of the developed world.

Were it not for the Nazis, it would likely be OK today to block unskilled migrants from entering a country simply because they would be a drain on the economy and lower the standard of living for all. It would also be OK to deport illegal immigrants, even large numbers of them. But because of the Nazi excesses, virtually no one, except for the most far out wing nuts, want to be accused in even the most remote indirect way of being like mined with the Nazis. It is the ultimate in political incorrectness which in turn causes clouded judgement.
01:30 September 20, 2010 by Talonx
@ Deutschamer

Point in case.
01:37 September 20, 2010 by deutschamer
@ Talonx

Point in case.
02:05 September 20, 2010 by Talonx
@ Deutschamer

You argue that the activities that defined the Nazis should be largely (though not in excess, I'm assuming you don't advocate pulling guns on immigrants trying to get in?), whilst disavowing the Nazis. That's pretty much the definition of crypto-Nazi.

It's not a matter of political correctness, you want to enact policies that defined the Nazis. This isn't like the Autobahn project, that could have been done by anyone, hell similar things were done with Bismark and the royals. The scariest thing is, is that your argumentation is almost word-for-word what Hitlers was. Maybe you should read up a little more on the Nazis and reexamine your political faith (it can be called little else, considering it obviously relies on no evidential experience).
03:24 September 20, 2010 by deutschamer
@ Talonx

Please explain how not wanting unskilled immigrants and deporting those who sneak in illegally is thinking like the Nazis? The Nazis would put them in a death camp.
05:11 September 20, 2010 by Talonx
@ Deutschamer

Well, according to the Nazis the Poles were in Germany illegally as were the Romani and Sinti. Any Jew was considered inferior unskilled (could do no real labour) and, at heart, 'illegitimately' in Europe. This is why the Nazis moved the Jews and the Poles out in the beginning.

That you don't see the connection between Nationalism and the Nazis is perhaps a result of you never having really read up on them. Nazism is no extreme form of Nationalism, it is unadulturated Nationalism.

I really suggest you read Hitler's biographer Ian Kershaw. He's the definitive goto about things such as this.
06:47 September 20, 2010 by deutschamer
@ Talonx

Almost all extremes are bad, including extremes to the political left. Shall I compare you with Stalin who murdered an estimated 30 million people in the purges of the 1930s because they were not thinking "correctly" and were a perceived threat? Its just as insulting as when you compare me to Hitler. I expect most Nazis believed the sky was blue. Does that mean I should consider the sky green? People like yourself are always in tune with what is considered acceptable even if it ignores fact. If you grew up in Germany during the 1920s and 30s, you would have most certainly been the most ardent Nazi because you are a slave to political correctness and do not think for yourself.
09:38 September 20, 2010 by Talonx
@ Deutschamer

Stay on point, don't change the subject because you can't defend yourself. We weren't talking about Uncle Joe.

Anways, to the point, you apparently didn't even read what I wrote, I did not compare you to Hitler. I called you a crypto-Nazi because you advocate many of the policies the Nazis were defined by, advocating for immagrants from only certain places and deporting any undesirables (the colour of the sky has nothing to do with what made the Nazis who they were, pretending that it is so is just idiotic).

I can't say what I would have been in the 20s or 30s, I don't think you can either. What I know right now, is that you advocate Nazi policies and try to cover up the connection, crypto-Nazi, is the term for that.
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