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German-born criminal to be deported to Turkey
A question of identity? Photo: DPA

German-born criminal to be deported to Turkey

Published: 21 Nov 2009 11:04 GMT+01:00
Updated: 21 Nov 2009 11:04 GMT+01:00

The legal fight between the city of Munich and the 22-year-old man was decided on by the Bavarian Administrative Court on Friday, which ruled he can be expelled from Germany.

The man could be expected to continue to commit crimes, the judge ruled. And although his deportation is a massive encroachment on his ‘personal, economic and social relationships’, it can be undertaken in the German public interest.

The man first came to the attention of the authorities when he was just 11, after missing school and then beating up his classmates. In April 2005 he was first jailed on two counts of grievous bodily harm and a sexual offence. Further convictions followed, of violence, making threats, theft and possession of drugs.

He was sentenced to two years and nine months in prison, where he seemed to flourish, completing his school certificate and starting a carpentry course. But when he was released in February 2007, he again went off the rails, the court heard, failing to meet his probation officer, and taking drugs. In July 2008 he was again convicted of causing grievous bodily harm and has been in prison since this April.

The court decided that the man could be deported to Turkey, with the judge noting that he spoke broken Turkish and saying he was not ‘integrated’ into German society.

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Your comments about this article

11:28 November 21, 2009 by dc_edinburgh
Surely the issue here is that he will be deported - expelled from Germany. Extradition I would have thought relates to the other country (Turkey) going through a legal process to have him returned to that country to face criminal charges???
15:35 November 21, 2009 by Ceven
It's clear that he's been a part of the judicial system for a long time already. If he chose to have his Turkish citizenship over his German one at age 18, no matter how ridiculous it is to force such a decision, he made his choice. If he continues to make a violent nusiance of himself with no regards to the consequences then he gets exactly what he desrves. One has to make the willful decision and commit to rehabillitation before it can work, and it does not seem he has done that. If he isn't so integrated into his own heritage (knowing the language etc.) then why did he not choose to maintain German citizenship in the first place? I think what's happening here is a fair process. He's been given the chances to help himself and continued to take things too far. That has notihing to do with any one particular culture, but of a person who does not think about the concequences of their actions. Maybe a harder lesson is for him to learn.
20:08 November 21, 2009 by TLC
It may just be that the only people who have the absolute right to citizenship by merely being born in a country are Americans. It is for this reason that the children of illegal immigrants cannot be automatically deported as their parents when they are finally caught and tried.
20:31 November 21, 2009 by bernadino
Just kick him to the place where he belongs. A Turk stays in Turkey, a German in Germany.
00:55 November 22, 2009 by eddymanly
Bernadino

who say Germany belongs to German. Germany belongs to everybody, if u cant accept that, please leave Germany. Go to North pole and live with polar bear.
01:28 November 22, 2009 by piper1
Germany for everybody?.. That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard ! Just remove the borders around Germany.... Well..... Go on ! .......... idiot.
10:25 November 22, 2009 by dete30
German people are working hard and this unwanted people coming here to have something from us and claim Germany is for everybody.I hope you are not joking!
13:28 November 22, 2009 by Jibzy
@piper, Deutsche and dete: I understand your desire to ONLY have educated and progressive people in Germany but try to understand what eddymanly meant. This world is for every one. National borders represent political barriers and if you have any compassion for Humanity, you would also think of terms of eddymanly.

Germany doesnt BELONG to Germans. Not necessarily. Although yes Germans belong in Germany but as we foreigners come to Germany and find it as our home and respect the laws here..you are allowed to do that too. Be open. Have a big heart =)

Anyway, on the topic, i think the court's decision was good.
10:15 November 23, 2009 by moistvelvet
A national identity is a sense of belonging, if he has a Turkish passport instead of a German one then I assume it is becacuse he has a greater sense of identity and belonging as Turkish. This is in part a failure of full integration and not allowing foreign cultures to feel a sense of belonging in the German system, to feel German. Which isn't drinken Wezien and wearing lederhosen, Germany needs to accept that as a major player in Europe it has to accept being a multi-cultural society, stop discriminating many non-German groups, adopt/enforce European laws that allow freedom of movement/employment instead of insisting on work permits for Europeans to have residency or not allowing non-Germans to be employed in careers such as Police.

Having said that I do agree with the courts decision if he doesn't have German natioanality, it is a risk he took breaking the law of the land which he considered didn't belong to.

On another note, when people talk of parasites sitting on their ass and claim benefits, of all the foreigners that I know they all work and pay taxes for many Germans to sit on their ass and claim benefits. The fact that these real German parasites can vote in the national election yet the tax paying European foreign nationals can't is the biggest discriminatory factor that hinders a sense of belonging.
15:41 November 23, 2009 by kweli
Sometimes I wonder if some poeple on this forum really think before they put their ideas down. Migration is a natural phenomenon and no matter how many borders or road blocks you create. They remain manmade and are bound to fall down when nature takes its course.
23:09 November 23, 2009 by puisoh
A typical Turk who refuse to integrate. Send him home, why waste taxpayers' money putting him in jail years after years after posing as threat to society (history

of causing bodily harm, > than once.)
06:48 November 24, 2009 by davepaxton
"Sometimes I wonder if some poeple on this forum really think before they put their ideas down. Migration is a natural phenomenon and no matter how many borders or road blocks you create. They remain manmade and are bound to fall down when nature takes its course."

Sorry I am an American and we have our own immigration problems. but I hope this comment was from non native of Germany. You don't let thieves rob your home to let "nature takes it course" Why would you let people flood in and colonize your country. Don't you understand your position you will be in when you are not the majority anymore? Who will save you?You are an Infidel and less than human to alot of these people you are letting in .At least we are letting in mostly Christians

Europe needs to wake up to the very serious situation it is in.
08:45 November 25, 2009 by moistvelvet
"Sorry I am an American and we have our own immigration problems... ...Why would you let people flood in and colonize your country."

LOL The USA is a country built on immigration, unless you are a native Indian do you see the irony? :-D
10:42 November 25, 2009 by maxmarlow333@yahoo.com
"If you have any compassion for Humanity" What a laugh, once these immigrants are the majority any compassion for you Germans will evaporate like morning mist under the hot sun, and you my friends will be kicked out of your own country that your forefathers worked for fought for and died for.

As a Christian or secular European, can you freely move to a Moslem country and claim it as your country? Not a chance.

Wake up before it's too late because multiculturalism does not work, this advise come to you Germans from Southern Africa.
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